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Interfaith Encounters

Posted on June 7, 2007July 8, 2025

So got to spend the better part of the day today in Chicago (the city as opposed to the general geographic area). I caught the train at the end of line at a station surrounded by cornfields and spent the next hour watching those cornfields change into small farms and horse corrals, then cookie-cutter suburbs, then nice rich suburbs, then older artsy suburbs, then poor ethic suburbs, then run-down factory zones, until I finally entered the land of skyscrapers and trendy loft apartments. It was a most interesting ride to watch the history of urban sprawl pass by my window.

I went downtown to participate in a ecumenical, inter-faith clergy discussion. It was an amazing group that had gathered at Wicker Park Lutheran Church for lunch and discussion. I think I was the only pseudo-evangelical. Others represented Lutherans, Presbyterians, Catholics, and Unitarians and from outside Christianity there were two Zen Buddhist Priests and an Emerging Jewish Rabbi. The “clergy cafe” is hosted by Reverend Clare Butterfield (Unitarian-Universalist) of Faith in Place, a Creation care ministry based in downtown Chicago. Mike attended the last gathering (read about it here) so I got to go this time.

The topic for discussion was family systems theory and its implications for leadership for people in modern congregations and modern times. We were given a book list to choose from that dealt with systems theory. I read Peter Steinke’s Healthy Congregations. Having not been to seminary (yet) where it seemed most people there had studied systems theory, I felt a bit lost at points in the discussion. We spent a lot of time discussing the central necessity of self-differentiation in systems theory. As Wikipedia explains –

Differentiation of self refers to one’s ability to separate one’s own intellectual and emotional functioning from that of the family. Bowen spoke of people functioning on a single continuum or scale. Individuals with “low differentiation” are more likely to become fused with predominant family emotions. (A related concept is that of an undifferentiated ego mass, which is a term used to describe a family unit whose members possess low differentiation and therefore are emotionally fused.) Those with “low differentiation” depend on others approval and acceptance. They either conform themselves to others in order to please them, or they attempt to force others to conform to themselves. They are thus more vulnerable to stress and they struggle more to adjust to life changes. (534 Bowen 1974) To have a well-differentiated “self” is an ideal that no one realizes perfectly. They recognize that they need others, but they depend less on other’s acceptance and approval. They do not merely adopt the attitude of those around them but acquire their principles thoughtfully. These help them decide important family and social issues, and resist the feelings of the moment. Thus, despite conflict, criticism, and rejection they can stay calm and clear headed enough to distinguish thinking rooted in a careful assessment of the facts from thinking clouded by emotion. What they decide and say matches what they do. When they act in the best interests of the group, they choose thoughtfully, not because they are caving in to relationship pressures. Confident in their own thinking, they can either support another’s view without becoming wishy-washy or reject another’s view without becoming hostile.

The lack of self-differentiation can result in conflict and the most unhealthy way to address conflict is to cut oneself off from it. “The opposite of an emotional cut-off is an open relationship. It is a very effective way to reduce a group’s over-all anxiety. Continued low anxiety permits motivated family members to begin the slow steps to better differentiation.”

It is all a very fascinating topic, but as with most traditionally modern expressions of faith, I felt the Emerging Church just didn’t fit. In Systems Theory (according to my very limited understanding thereof) stronger leaders and more distinct individuals are necessary for a group/church to be healthy. This seems to fly in the face of organic, missional approaches to church where hierarchy is replaced with community. Also those from the mainline perspectives couldn’t understand that for some in the emerging church, leaving a church (cutting-off) may be the only healthy option. They couldn’t fathom that there could be churches where questions weren’t welcome and intellectual honesty was suppressed for the sake of tradition and doctrine (or where ecumenical/interfaith gatherings weren’t the norm, much less approved of). So to assume that to leave a church is always unhealthy isn’t something I can concede. It may not always be painless, but sometimes it is the only possible way to stay alive for many people involved in the emerging church (and is often a decision that is made for them anyway). But the conversation was a good reminder that my post-evangelical emerging experience is hardly a common story or issue outside of the bubble I exist in (not that that makes it any less valid, just different).

It was a fun day and I’m still processing our discussion. I hope I can take the opportunity to gather again with this group in the future.

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Retreat

Posted on May 25, 2007July 8, 2025

Spiritual retreat – the idea is to take time to reflect, get away, and focus on God. It should be a time of refreshment and growth. At least that’s the idea. It’s harder when you are leading these things and going crazy trying to get all the last minute details together.

Anyway, we are taking our church on a spiritual formation retreat this weekend. Our focus is our conceptions of God – reflecting on how we talk about and picture God, how that affects our relationship with God and others, how we can grow in our understanding of God, and how we can expand our ability to see God working in the world.

It should be a good time (if I can manage to get everything together for it). There’s been too much on my mind stressing me out so I’ve not planned ahead for this weekend like I should have. So I’ll be off retreating for the weekend. Hopefully it will actually be a retreat.

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Fly Paper for Freaks or Missed Opportunity

Posted on April 9, 2007July 8, 2025

I posted part of this a few years ago at The Ooze, but I was thinking about the strangeness of it all the other day. At one point Hot Topic carried a t-shirt that said “What am I, fly paper for FREAKS?” Honestly there have been points in my life when I have totally felt like that. I seem to be the one random person people approach to say odd things. Granted the occurrences have dropped drastically since I had a kid (in fact they only happen now when Emma’s not with me). I do feel weird about it. I’m an introvert and so am uneasy about random encounters. But I feel like I should be friendly and strike up a conversation, but often its just too weird and creepy to go there. Perhaps I’m missing opportunities to connect with people. What do you think?

For example –

I was standing in a check-out line at Walmart and this very elderly man comes up to me and says “you look like the person to ask”. I told him I didn’t work there, but then he just looked at me and asked “so are computers from God or from Satan?” a bit confused by that point I replied “from God.” He then gave me a hard stare and said “how could something so evil come from God? you just think about that.” then he walked away.

Then once, I was sitting in my car waiting for the light to turn and I hear a car horn beep. I look to the car next to me and there’s this guy rolling down his window motioning for me to roll down mine. I do so expecting to be asked directions or something. But he looks at me and asks “so are you one of those pretty girls who like to blow people off” I reply “I don’t think so” and he says “I hope you have friends and don’t push people away.” Then he drove off.

I was working at an Antique shop in Wheaton and I noticed a man staring through the window for a long time. He looked like he was from the PADS shelter down the street. I ignored him and kept working (most likely dusting or polishing silver, that’s all I ever seemed to do there). Next thing I knew, he was in the store standing right by me. I asked him if he needed any help and he asked me if I would marry him. I held up my hand with my ring on it and said I was already married. He then walked out of the store.

Along those same lines, I was at the grocery store recently (without Emma) and an older very disheveled man walked up to me and said “you must not be married.” I wondered what in my cart could possibly give that impression and asked him why. He said it was because I wasn’t wearing a wedding ring on my left hand. For all of you who have met me in person – I don’t have a left hand. I was a bit taken aback by him saying that. So I just held up my right hand with my wedding ring on it. He look at it, looked at me, and said “I was in ‘Nam” and walked away.

Anyway, is it just me, or do other people have complete strangers come up and ask them really weird stuff? How do you react/interact?

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Books Blogthing

Posted on March 31, 2007July 7, 2025

Another fun blogthing. I couldn’t pass this one up given my book addiction and all. What is sad is the number of “classics” on this list that I haven’t read. It was a good reminder of the number of books I have on my shelf waiting to be read!

Here’s how you play. Take a look and see which ones you’ve read. Then, if you’re a blogger, post it on your blog. If you play, leave me a comment so that I can come visit!
Here’s what you do:
* Bold the ones you’ve read.
* Italicize the ones you want to read.
* Leave in normal text the ones that don’t interest you.
* Put in ALL CAPS those you haven’t heard of.
* Put a couple of asterisks by the ones you recommend.

(UPDATE – I liked Erik’s suggestion of putting (++) next to the ones you’ve seen the movie or TV show of, so I added that)

1. The DaVinci Code (Dan Brown)**++
2. Pride and Prejudice (Jane Austen)
3. To Kill A Mockingbird (Harper Lee)++
4. Gone With The Wind (Margaret Mitchell)++
5. The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (Tolkien) **++
6. The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring (Tolkien) **++
7. The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers (Tolkien) **++
8. Anne of Green Gables (L.M. Montgomery)++

9. OUTLANDER (Diana Gabaldon)
10. A FINE BALANCE (Rohinton Mistry)
11. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Rowling)++
12. Angels and Demons (Dan Brown)
13. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (Rowling)

14. A Prayer for Owen Meany (John Irving)
15. Memoirs of a Geisha (Arthur Golden)
16. Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone(Rowling)**++
17. FALL ON YOUR KNEES (Ann-Marie MacDonald)
18. The Stand (Stephen King)++
19. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Rowling)++
20. Jane Eyre (Charlotte Bronte)**++
21. The Hobbit (Tolkien)**
22. The Catcher in the Rye (J.D. Salinger)**
23. Little Women (Louisa May Alcott)++

24. The Lovely Bones (Alice Sebold)
25. Life of Pi (Yann Martel)
26. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams)
27. Wuthering Heights (Emily Bronte)++
28. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (C. S. Lewis)**++

29. East of Eden (John Steinbeck)
30. Tuesdays with Morrie(Mitch Albom)
31. Dune (Frank Herbert)
32. The Notebook (Nicholas Sparks)
33. Atlas Shrugged (Ayn Rand)
34. 1984 (Orwell)
35. The Mists of Avalon (Marion Zimmer Bradley)

36. The Pillars of the Earth (Ken Follett)
37. THE POWER OF ONE (Bryce Courtenay)
38. I KNOW THIS MUCH IS TRUE (Wally Lamb)
39. The Red Tent (Anita Diamant)
40. The Alchemist (Paulo Coelho)
41. The Clan of the Cave Bear (Jean M. Auel)
42. The Kite Runner (Khaled Hosseini)

43. Confessions of a Shopaholic (Sophie Kinsella)
44. The Five People You Meet In Heaven (Mitch Albom)
45. The Bible **
46. Anna Karenina (Tolstoy)**++

47. The Count of Monte Cristo (Alexandre Dumas)++
48. Angela’s Ashes (Frank McCourt)**++
49. The Grapes of Wrath (John Steinbeck)**++

50. SHE’S COME UNDONE (Wally Lamb)
51. The Poisonwood Bible(Barbara Kingsolver)
52. A Tale of Two Cities (Dickens)
53. Ender’s Game (Orson Scott Card)**
54. Great Expectations (Dickens)++
55. The Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald)++

56. THE STONE ANGEL (Margaret Laurence)
57. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Rowling)++
58. The Thorn Birds (Colleen McCullough)
59. The Handmaid’s Tale (Margaret Atwood)
60. The Time Traveller’s Wife (Audrey Niffenegger)
61. Crime and Punishment(Fyodor Dostoyevsky)
62. The Fountainhead (Ayn Rand)
63. War and Peace (Tolstoy)
64. Interview With The Vampire (Anne Rice)++

65. FIFTH BUSINESS (Robertson Davies)
66. One Hundred Years Of Solitude (Gabriel Garcia Marquez)
67. The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (Ann Brashares)
68. Catch-22 (Joseph Heller)
69. Les Miserables (Victor Hugo)**++
70. The Little Prince (Antoine de Saint-Exupery)
71. Bridget Jones’s Diary (Helen Fielding)++
72. Love in the Time of Cholera (Gabriel Garcia Marquez)
73. SHOGUN (James Clavell)
74. The English Patient (Michael Ondaatje)++
75. The Secret Garden(Frances Hodgson)++
76. THE SUMMER TREE (Guy Gavriel Kay)
77. A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN (Betty Smith)
78. The World According to Garp (John Irving)
79. THE DIVINERS (Margaret Laurence)
80. Charlotte’s Web (E.B. White)++
81. NOT WANTED ON THE VOYAGE (Timothy Findley)
82. Of Mice And Men (Steinbeck)
83. Rebecca (Daphne DuMaurier)
84. Wizard’s First Rule (Terry Goodkind)
85. Emma (Jane Austen)++

86. Watership Down (Richard Adams)
87. Brave New World (Aldous Huxley)
88. THE STONE DIARIES (Carol Shields)
89. BLINDNESS (Jose Saramago)
90. KANE AND ABEL (Jeffrey Archer)
91. IN THE SKIN OF A LION (Michael Ondaatje)
92. Lord of the Flies (William Golding)++
93. The Good Earth (Pearl S. Buck)
94. The Secret Life of Bees (Sue Monk Kidd)
95. The Bourne Identity (Robert Ludlum)
96. The Outsiders (S.E. Hinton)++
97. White Oleander (Janet Fitch)
98. A Woman of Substance (Barbara Taylor Bradford)
99. The Celestine Prophecy(James Redfield)
100. Ulysses (James Joyce)

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Life

Posted on March 13, 2007July 7, 2025

Hi readers

A few people were asking – I am slowly healing from my side injury (internal bruise). I can move again and am not popping pain killers all the time. It will apparently be a long process, but I can see that normalcy is beginning to return.

I’m going crazy at the moment trying to pull together all the final details for the Emerging Women Midwest Gathering this weekend. I’m really looking forward to it, but there is so much to do. So I doubt there will be much in the way of blog posts here until after the retreat.

I do have to say that I’m loving that we are experiencing a bit of a Spring teaser this week here in Chicagoland. I can go outside and be warm – not just not cold, but warm. It’s great.

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Life Update

Posted on March 2, 2007July 8, 2025

Snapshot of my life at the moment…

Status quo with the heath stuff. I was back at the doctor today and they were surprised at the swelling and pain I am still having – so more and different drugs. Oh so much fun.

I’m spending most of my time working on stuff for the upcoming Emerging Women Midwest Gathering. Its coming together and we have a great group of women attending. There are a handful of spots still available if anyone is interested in attending. Registration is open through March 9.

I’ve finally got around to starting to read Peter Rollins How (not) to Speak of God (for the upcoming Emerging Women book discussion) and now I’m understanding what all the buzz has been about. This book is summarizing so many ideas I’ve explored over the past 6 years. It is one of the most clear portrayals of emerging postmodern thought that I have read yet. Highly recommended.

And on the completely fun level… can I express my frustration with American Idol and LOST. I still love Lost, but what’s up with all the false/misleading advertising? We’re still waiting to find out anything (what Jack’s tattoos say wasn’t the huge reveal I was hoping for). And I’m sick of the popularity contest parts of American Idol. Why get rid of people who can sing like AJ and Leslie and keep horrible singers like Antonella and Sanjaya?! It’s just frustrating…

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My Crazy Weekend…

Posted on February 26, 2007July 7, 2025

So I’m a bit in la-la land at the moment. Lots of pain and lots of drugs for that pain. Friday night I was reading to Emma on the couch, somehow she managed to flop/jump onto my left side. It took my breath away and I was sore after that. Well the pain got worse. Intense pain in my side and back – I couldn’t move well or do much besides lay on the couch. By Sunday I was dizzy and nauseous as well, so my doctor told me to go to the ER. So we braved the snow and I got to spend the afternoon at the hospital getting tests run, getting a CAT Scan, and getting dosed with morphine. Apparently to find out that I have some sort of internal trauma (duh). As far as they could tell (the metal rod in my back obscured the CAT scan a bit), there is no internal bleeding. So at this point it’s a waiting game. I’ll either start feeling better soon or will develop serious symptoms. Fun times. So I’m back on the couch full of painkillers. Never really thought having a toddler would be like a contact sport, but crazy things do happen. Just thought I’d take the opportunity to complain to the world.

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Will We Finally Get Some Answers???

Posted on February 2, 2007July 7, 2025

The date has been released – July 21, 2007. So we only have a few short months until the epic ends. Is Snape good or evil, will he sacrifice himself for Harry? Will Harry (or Neville) kill Voldemort or will either be killed? Will good triumph over evil or is the world more complex than that – will Voldemort be redeemed? Can you tell, I’m looking forward to the release of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows? Now if we can just get some answers for us LOST fans…

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Questions, Epistemology, and Late Night TV

Posted on February 1, 2007July 7, 2025

Last night Mike and I stayed up way too late watching one of those history channel programs (we have TiVo, so there really is no need to stay up late, it was just that interesting). This one was called Exodus Decoded. Unlike most of those type shows, I thought this one was well done and was worth a viewing. Basically the show examined extra-biblical evidence for the exodus. What I liked about it was that it took a “big picture” interdisciplinary approach to the topic. The show presented some fascinating interpretations and evidences for the Exodus. I don’t want to get into all those now (but it really was intriguing maybe I’ll comment on it later), but instead comment on what it got me thinking about. These thoughts are also sparked from the conversation about Ruth’s virtue over at Swinging from the Vine.

My question is – why are we so afraid to really question everything? Why when approaching theology or history do we set boundaries and assumptions that cannot be changed or questioned before we turn to actual research? For example, for those who believe miracles are impossible the exodus could never have occurred because it involves miraculous events. Or because we have to hold to a certain dating system for all the rest of our theology to fall into place, these facts and dates over here must be thrown out because they conflict with our presumed ideas. Or because we want to hold Ruth up as a female role model (and since we define role models as chaste/virtuous women) there is no room to even explore the question of whether Ruth had sex with Boaz when she spent the night with him at his “feet.” Or because I work in X field and you work in Y field we can’t get together and share ideas and perhaps come up with a holistic understanding of things. Or because one belongs to a different religion (Islam) and doesn’t want to strengthen another religion (Judaism/Christianity) any researchers looking into Jewish history are forbidden from doing research in our country. And yes these are vaguely stated, but it really bugs me when knowledge is stifled because people are too afraid or too prejudiced.

I know I make assumptions, you have to in order to progress in understanding. One needs to assume that the possibility of the exodus story having happened is a valid possibility in order to start looking for evidence that it did happen. There are also things that I have questioned and have chosen to believe in (like the existence of God) that become the basis for how I look at other aspects of life. But I still concede the necessity to be allowed to question those basic assumptions. My views on a lot of things have drastically changed in the last 10 years. Why? Because the pastor at my old church convinced me that it was okay to question my pre-trib/pre-mil views. I realized that true understanding requires everything to be open to being questioned (which eventually led to my being forced out of that very church). And yes, new ideas that I have formed can also be questioned (but no, to all the people who assume that I am “liberal” because I haven’t thought through things, I doubt I will return to where I have already been). But it scares me when I see people claiming that we can’t “go there” or that certain topics are off limits or that certain facts must be ignored – how is this intellectual honesty?? (and yes, I’m sure I scare some people as well with my assumptions…)

What are people afraid of? Do people still hold to foundationalist epistemology – question one thing and the whole structure crumbles? Are we just afraid of anything new or different? Will we lose our funding, our prestige, or our job? Are to just too comfortable to care? Are any or all of these things more important than the pursuit of truth?

I’m frustrated when I encounter resistance to questioning (as I’m sure some feel about me). I’m frustrated when I don’t have the knowledge or the resources to pursue my questioning fully. I’m frustrated with my stupidity and lack of training to engage in dialogue in certain fields. I know I should just deal with it and do what I can, but there are some days when it just build up…

So sorry for the postmodernish incoherent rant. This has just been on my mind all day and I had to get it out.

Tags: Exodus Decoded, epistemology, History Channel
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Julie the Cook

Posted on January 12, 2007July 7, 2025

Time for a silly and random brag.

So this past summer I started entering recipe contests mostly as a way to make myself come up with new and creative meals. It’s kinda silly but fun at the same time. There are all sorts of contest – themed ones, brand named ones, and the biggies (Southern Living, Pillsbury, National Chicken, and Build a Burger). I enter, if I win- great; if not, I have a new recipe.

Well I finally won one. I am an Honor Roll winner (3rd place) in the February Better Homes and Gardens Tacos with a Twist contest. Not only is my name in the newest issue, they sent me a framed certificate, printed copies of my recipe that fit in the BHG cookbook, and (best of all) a check. The certificate is a tad over the top, but it was all fun anyway. The funniest part is that when I made this recipe Mike told me that it was one I really didn’t need to make again. Hmm… So if you really care – here is my 3rd place winning recipe for –

Grilled Tuscan Chicken Tacos

2 large skinless, boneless chicken breast halves
2 Tbsp olive oil
1/2 tsp lemon-pepper seasoning
1 8-oz. pkg. sliced fresh button mushrooms
1 14 -oz. can artichoke hearts, drained and quartered
2 Tbsp snipped dried tomatoes
1 tsp. dried Italian seasoning
1/2 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. ground black pepper
1/4 cup dry white wine
3-4 Tbsp bottled Caesar salad dressing
8 8-inch flour tortillas
1 cup shredded mozzarella cheese

Brush chicken with 1 tablespoon of the olive oil. Sprinkle with lemon-pepper seasoning. For a charcoal grill, place chicken on the rack on an uncovered grill directly over medium heat. Grill for 10-12 minutes or until chicken is no longer pink, turning once halfway through grilling. (For a gas grill, preheat grill to medium; adjust for direct cooking. Place chicken on grill rack directly over heat. Cover and grill as above.) Cut chicken into thin strips; cover to keep warm.

Meanwhile, in a large skillet cook mushrooms, artichoke hearts, tomatoes, Italian seasoning, salt and pepper in the remaining 1 tablespoon oil over medium heat about 5 minutes or until mushrooms are tender, stirring occasionally. Carefully add wine. Bring to boiling; reduce heat. Simmer, uncovered, for 5-8 minutes or until most of the liquid has evaporated.

To serve, spread salad dressing over one-half of each flour tortilla. Top with chicken strips and mushroom mixture. Sprinkle with mozzarella cheese. Fold unfilled half over filling. Makes 4 servings.

Enjoy!

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