Comments for onehandclapping http://julieclawson.com Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:07:47 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Convergence and Direction by Andy http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/15/convergence-and-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-6909 Andy Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:07:47 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1445#comment-6909 Great post, Julie. That picture with the toilet planter was a little puzzling at first, heh. I'm sorry you're getting all those messages from people. And it really is a hard question, whether to stay and risk withering or go somewhere you can thrive. I've faced it a few times in different circumstances. I just listened to Internet Monk podcast #162, where he says that you probably won't transform your church. If you're going to stay, you'll probably have to be content to be a minority voice. You can take that for what its worth, but it seems true to me. Great post, Julie. That picture with the toilet planter was a little puzzling at first, heh. I’m sorry you’re getting all those messages from people. And it really is a hard question, whether to stay and risk withering or go somewhere you can thrive. I’ve faced it a few times in different circumstances. I just listened to Internet Monk podcast #162, where he says that you probably won’t transform your church. If you’re going to stay, you’ll probably have to be content to be a minority voice. You can take that for what its worth, but it seems true to me.

]]> Comment on Convergence and Direction by Joy http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/15/convergence-and-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-6908 Joy Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:27:56 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1445#comment-6908 Julie, I really appreciate your thoughts and that you took the time to put words to them for us to read. I also love that you can do it concisely...something I have yet to learn to do! HA! I wrote a post a few days ago...that is probably too verbose...Anyhow...there was a lot from my past 35 years in the evangelical, charismatic mega church environment that has burdened me with so much baggage in regards to leadership, conferences and women's ministries...or any combination of the three. Convergence was emotionally draining...but I too felt inspired...and encouraged by the envent and most especially the women! I will say that I tried for years to be a light or prophetic voice to my faith community and it almost cost me my faith not to mention my sanity...Eventually I didn't need to decide if I would stay invested...because my husband and I were asked to "prayerfully consider finding another church home"...We left...and haven't been back. I just want to say how influentual your voice, blog(s)...book etc have been and are for women like me. Julie,

I really appreciate your thoughts and that you took the time to put words to them for us to read. I also love that you can do it concisely…something I have yet to learn to do! HA! I wrote a post a few days ago…that is probably too verbose…Anyhow…there was a lot from my past 35 years in the evangelical, charismatic mega church environment that has burdened me with so much baggage in regards to leadership, conferences and women’s ministries…or any combination of the three.

Convergence was emotionally draining…but I too felt inspired…and encouraged by the envent and most especially the women! I will say that I tried for years to be a light or prophetic voice to my faith community and it almost cost me my faith not to mention my sanity…Eventually I didn’t need to decide if I would stay invested…because my husband and I were asked to “prayerfully consider finding another church home”…We left…and haven’t been back.

I just want to say how influentual your voice, blog(s)…book etc have been and are for women like me.

]]> Comment on Convergence and Direction by Karen too http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/15/convergence-and-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-6907 Karen too Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:10:55 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1445#comment-6907 Wow! My first thought when you described the odd items plants had been planted in was that they might not survive for long too. I'm trying to learn to garden so I know all about buying a beautiful plant, putting it someplace, and then watching it wither and die. The questions you ask are ones only God (not the voice of the church in our head) can answer. He transplants us. He makes us grow in inhospitable environments. He gives us rest with those who comfort our souls. He is the water, the fertilizer, the life. And he wants you to grow and flourish more than even you want that. Wow! My first thought when you described the odd items plants had been planted in was that they might not survive for long too. I’m trying to learn to garden so I know all about buying a beautiful plant, putting it someplace, and then watching it wither and die.

The questions you ask are ones only God (not the voice of the church in our head) can answer. He transplants us. He makes us grow in inhospitable environments. He gives us rest with those who comfort our souls. He is the water, the fertilizer, the life. And he wants you to grow and flourish more than even you want that.

]]> Comment on Convergence and Direction by karen http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/15/convergence-and-direction/comment-page-1/#comment-6906 karen Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:32:20 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1445#comment-6906 wow. excellent post and observations. and just so you know - i hear you. i get it. but it's so hard to move sometimes. and so easy to listen to the loud voices of those that seem to have the answers. but safe is not satisfying. it's easy. and non-confrontational. no controversy. less stress. but not true to who we are and who we are called to be. moving beyond the borders that seem to protect us is hard, and painful, yes. but i'll be right there beside you.... well, maybe a little behind. ;) wow. excellent post and observations. and just so you know – i hear you. i get it. but it’s so hard to move sometimes. and so easy to listen to the loud voices of those that seem to have the answers. but safe is not satisfying. it’s easy. and non-confrontational. no controversy. less stress. but not true to who we are and who we are called to be. moving beyond the borders that seem to protect us is hard, and painful, yes. but i’ll be right there beside you….
well, maybe a little behind. ;)

]]> Comment on International Women’s Day by Cindy http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/08/international-womens-day-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6888 Cindy Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:21:30 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1438#comment-6888 This is a really wonderful discussion. Thanks Julie, everyone. Sarah mentioned, and I think its a really good point, that in a patriarchal culture (or colonial for that matter) the oppressor is also being harmed in the relationship. Now, clearly, the immediate harm falls upon those who are being diminished and unheard. But, the long term consequences of bullying and even just turning a blind eye towards injustice means suffering a whole world of lost opportunities and missed deeper relationships. This is also really applicable to development work (my thing). Good, transformational relational development recognizes and learns from the other's strengths and capacities. If one goes in on a white horse carrying a white flag, somethings gonna be missed, the view is just too far away from the back of a horse...and too far removed from the lovely things happening on the ground. Sorry, that was a tangent...the strength in respectful, transformational relationship is just an exceedingly better way. Cindy This is a really wonderful discussion. Thanks Julie, everyone. Sarah mentioned, and I think its a really good point, that in a patriarchal culture (or colonial for that matter) the oppressor is also being harmed in the relationship. Now, clearly, the immediate harm falls upon those who are being diminished and unheard. But, the long term consequences of bullying and even just turning a blind eye towards injustice means suffering a whole world of lost opportunities and missed deeper relationships.

This is also really applicable to development work (my thing). Good, transformational relational development recognizes and learns from the other’s strengths and capacities. If one goes in on a white horse carrying a white flag, somethings gonna be missed, the view is just too far away from the back of a horse…and too far removed from the lovely things happening on the ground. Sorry, that was a tangent…the strength in respectful, transformational relationship is just an exceedingly better way.

Cindy

]]> Comment on International Women’s Day by Karen http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/08/international-womens-day-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6886 Karen Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:25:48 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1438#comment-6886 I should have invited you to the viewing of Iron Jawed Angels we had tonight! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338139/quotes Powerful movie about the fight for women's right to vote (even if it was an HBO dramatization). E-mail if you're interested in borrowing it. I live right down the road from you... I should have invited you to the viewing of Iron Jawed Angels we had tonight! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338139/quotes Powerful movie about the fight for women’s right to vote (even if it was an HBO dramatization). E-mail if you’re interested in borrowing it. I live right down the road from you…

]]> Comment on Article in RELEVANT by Kurt Willems http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/02/article-in-relevant/comment-page-1/#comment-6884 Kurt Willems Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:28:09 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1432#comment-6884 oops... disregard that last question :-) You have seen it as it is on your other site! oops… disregard that last question :-) You have seen it as it is on your other site!

]]> Comment on Article in RELEVANT by Kurt Willems http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/02/article-in-relevant/comment-page-1/#comment-6883 Kurt Willems Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:26:56 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1432#comment-6883 Thanks for the links. I am always trying to get better at ethical buying. Have you every seen the book: "Better World Shopping Guide?" It has been extremely helpful to me and it has an iphone app as well! Thanks for the links. I am always trying to get better at ethical buying. Have you every seen the book: “Better World Shopping Guide?” It has been extremely helpful to me and it has an iphone app as well!

]]> Comment on International Women’s Day by Alex (Handy Backup team) http://julieclawson.com/2010/03/08/international-womens-day-2/comment-page-1/#comment-6882 Alex (Handy Backup team) Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:41:20 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1438#comment-6882 It is interesting to understand that in many countries where International Women's Day is celebrated it is definitely not a political event, but rather a sort of a mixture of Mother's Day and St. Valentine's Day. But still it's a beautiful day to express your appreciation and love to the women in your life. And it's great that the tradition to give tulips and gifts is not just a "home" event, but many companies hold celebrations in their offices the day before IWD (since in many countries it's an official holiday). It's a really warm day when you can do your best to your women: e.g. for our company’s ladies I’ve shot a creative greeting video (you can see it in my blog) which made them very happy. And it's funny, I was surprised to find out that International Women’s Day is also celebrated in other countries that just Russia and CIS countries. I thought that it was something taken from Soviet culture and not celebrated anywhere else, and when I found several notes about it at whitehouse.gov on the official White House blog, it was so cool. It is interesting to understand that in many countries where International Women’s Day is celebrated it is definitely not a political event, but rather a sort of a mixture of Mother’s Day and St. Valentine’s Day. But still it’s a beautiful day to express your appreciation and love to the women in your life. And it’s great that the tradition to give tulips and gifts is not just a “home” event, but many companies hold celebrations in their offices the day before IWD (since in many countries it’s an official holiday). It’s a really warm day when you can do your best to your women: e.g. for our company’s ladies I’ve shot a creative greeting video (you can see it in my blog) which made them very happy.

And it’s funny, I was surprised to find out that International Women’s Day is also celebrated in other countries that just Russia and CIS countries. I thought that it was something taken from Soviet culture and not celebrated anywhere else, and when I found several notes about it at whitehouse.gov on the official White House blog, it was so cool.

]]> Comment on The Bleeding Woman by Amanda Royale http://julieclawson.com/2010/02/09/the-bleeding-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-6880 Amanda Royale Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:52:33 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1412#comment-6880 That's not to say that I believe all who follow patriarchal religion subjugate women. That would be stereotyping an entire population, of which I certainly know not all. That’s not to say that I believe all who follow patriarchal religion subjugate women. That would be stereotyping an entire population, of which I certainly know not all.

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