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		<title>Dangerous Questions</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the traditional Jewish service for Passover, it is assumed that children will ask questions about why the family is partaking in a meal of remembrance. The service states that there are four types of children asking questions – the wise child, the wicked child, the innocent child, and the child who does not yet [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the traditional Jewish <a href="http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1737/jewish/Maggid.htm" target="_blank">service</a> for Passover, it is assumed that children will ask questions about why the family is partaking in a meal of remembrance.  The service states that there are four types of children asking questions – the wise child, the wicked child, the innocent child, and the child who does not yet know what to ask.  Contrary to what many Christians who are fixated on right doctrine might assume, the wicked child is not the one asking forbidden questions that challenge static absolute truths.  The wicked child is instead the one who refuses to ask questions – the one who doesn’t engage and therefore places herself outside the community.  It is a poignant reminder that wrestling with the hard aspects of faith and even being consumed with doubts and questions is a far better place to be in than one who has stopped asking questions.  Challenging the status quo through engaged reflection on one’s faith implies that one is still on the trajectory of discipleship – seeking to ever discern what it means to follow after God even when it might unsettle the assumptions of the community.</p>
<p>It was this wickedness, this failure to care about what God cares about by challenging the status quo, that Amos witnessed when he came to Jerusalem.  A poor herdsman from Judah, Amos was part of a population that was subservient to Israel at the time.  Judah therefore bore the brunt of the expenses of Israel, with the poor and needy being trampled to cover the expenditures of those in power.  Through the manipulation of debt and credit, the wealthy had amassed more and more of the land at the expense of poor landowners.  Some scholars believe that the only thing that would have even brought a poor shepherd like Amos to Jerusalem was the requirement that he pay tribute to those that controlled his lands at an official festival. But what a struggling working class man saw in Jerusalem was a population that not only lived in extravagance, but one that had stopped asking questions about if they were living in the ways of the Lord.  In fact they not only had stopped asking questions about whether their lifestyles based on the oppression of the poor reflected God’s desires, they had been told by the powers that be that it was not proper (or permitted) to ask questions that challenged the ways of Israel.</p>
<p>Seeing this abandonment of the faith in the guise of apathy moved Amos, who was not a religious professional, to speak the word of the Lord to Israel.  Although the governing religious hierarchy <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/amos/passage.aspx?q=amos+7:16-17" target="_blank">told</a> him to not prophecy against the ways of Israel, Amos knew he could not remain silent about the injustices he saw.  He saw the people doing religion as normal while the poor were exploited on their behalf and knew they had rejected their God.  So the message he was given to deliver on the streets of Jerusalem was that <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/amos/passage.aspx?q=amos+5:21-23" target="_blank">God hates</a> their worship gatherings and the noise of their praise songs because they have given up on caring about what it actually means to be God’s people.  Amos <a href="http://www.biblestudytools.com/nrs/amos/passage.aspx?q=amos+6:4-6" target="_blank">tells them</a> &#8211;<br />
<blockquote>Alas for those who lie on beds of ivory, and lounge on their couches,… who sing idle songs to the sound of the harp, and like David improvise on instruments of music; who drink wine from bowls, and anoint themselves with the finest oils, but are not grieved over the ruin of Joseph!” </p></blockquote>
<p>Not caring about how their lives and not just their ritual gatherings are caught up in following God had turned Israel into the wicked child at Passover.  They enjoyed the prosperity injustice allowed them and therefore had accepted the injunction against questioning the practices of the government and economic system.  They went through the motions of liturgy without doing the actual work of wrestling with the questions of the faithful.  Amos called them to instead to stop exploiting the poor and let justice roll across the land.  He begged them to ask the hard questions of themselves and of their rulers – to be disciples despite the cost.</p>
<p>But questioning the status quo is dangerous.  Jerusalem had no interest in hearing the word of the Lord that challenged their economic prosperity.  The powers that be moved to silence his prophecy and evicted Amos from Jerusalem.</p>
<p>And yet his witness stands as scripture.  Thanks be to God.</p>
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		<title>He Has No Power?</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2011/11/03/he-has-no-power/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[At a conference I attended recently we sang a worship song one evening with the repeated refrain “He has no power.” The song was a South African freedom song and the cantor explained that the “he” in the song refers to Satan. Knowing how songs of liberation work, the reference to the oppressor Satan here [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a conference I attended recently we sang a worship song one evening with the repeated refrain “He has no power.”  The song was a South African freedom song and the cantor explained that the “he” in the song refers to Satan.  Knowing how songs of liberation work, the reference to the oppressor Satan here serves as a place-holder for the actually physical oppressors which in this situation would be the white Apartheid government (for more on this in songs see <a href="http://ttj.sagepub.com/content/35/2/139.full.pdf" target="_blank">James Cone’s work</a>).  In instances of such extreme oppression, it is safe to sing hymns about freedom from Satan, but not so safe to sing openly about the desire to be liberated from the racist forces of the white government. </p>
<p>So there I was in a room full of a few hundred older, very reserved, and 99.9% white Christians who were singing a South African freedom song as if it were a 17th century hymn.  It was in the middle of singing the song that I was stopped short by the thought that what we were doing there was the exact opposite of what we were proclaiming in song.  How could we truly believe that the powers of oppression have no power if we weren’t embodying any visible sign of it?  Beyond the oddity of having someone conduct our singing about freedom so as to ensure we hit the right pitches, the dissonance of the entire situation was unsettling.  I couldn’t help but wonder if the act of appropriating a song of liberation from another culture and subduing and anglicizing it was not in itself an act of oppression of the song’s very power all for the sake of allowing us to feel multicultural an affirming of the “other.”  Where were the acts of liberation?  Where were the faces and voices of those others?  Where in our midst was the struggle to turn the world upside-down, destroy the segregation of our churches, and humbly sacrifice our vision of how a worship service must function in order to make room for the hallelujahs of others?  </p>
<p>These thoughts stopped my voice in the moment; I couldn’t finish singing the song.  I did hear others grumbling about the song after the service.  Either they had missed the explanations of the “he” referring to Satan and were upset that we would dare sing that God had no power.  Or they were upset that they had to sing about the person of Satan since we all know he doesn’t actually exist.  But I was met with blank stares when I suggested that I was uneasy singing a song of liberation in an unliberated space.  </p>
<p>I am fully aware that no one there, especially not those who planned that liturgy, had such motives in mind in choosing that song.  In fact I am sure they assumed that the choice was one for diversity and inclusion that challenged assumptions about what constitutes proper hymns.  But as I reflected on the moment my unease remained.  It made me wonder how often in the church we make that promise of freedom into a hollow platitude.  Like when we spiritualize the call to release the oppressed and free the prisoners into being simply about overcoming our personal demons.  Or twist the call to love our neighbor as ourselves to really be about just loving ourselves.    Or preach that Christians shouldn’t be distracted by politics, or economics, or corporate greed (since addressing those issues might require us to live counter-culturally…).  We speak of liberation and freedom as if they are facades.  They make us look great on the outside, but are so impotent of concepts in our theologies that they do nothing to affect who we actually are.  But the veneer of liberation only serves to further hide away the oppression still inside.  The most empowering thing for racism is for people to believe it has been dealt with.  But that isn’t true freedom. </p>
<p>Liberation cannot be just a guise.  Inclusion cannot be trivial.  Freedom from oppression cannot be spiritualized away.  I had to stop singing because I felt like I was participating in the very act I was claiming to have overcome.  There were voices missing in that space and I knew I couldn’t say Satan had no power in the midst of that absence.  But even so, all I could do was not sing.</p>
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		<title>Embodied Theology</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2011/08/19/embodied-theology/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this summer I attended a church service where the pastor, a man struggling with what appears to be his final bout with cancer, preached about the hope that Jesus promises to those who trust in him. After describing the returning Jesus brandishing a sword and dripping with the blood of all our vanquished enemies, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this summer I attended a church service where the pastor, a man struggling with what appears to be his final bout with cancer, preached about the hope that Jesus promises to those who trust in him.  After describing the returning Jesus brandishing a sword and dripping with the blood of all our vanquished enemies, he invited the audience to share what they saw as the hope that this Jesus promises.  The responses ranged from no cancer, to no pain, to no worries about paying the bills, to the promise of an upgraded body – all of course in heaven someday after we die.  The congregation was encouraged to find contentment in the present from the possibility of realizing these promises someday.  Our souls are what matter; the body just has to endure until our souls reach heaven.  No mention of help with how to pay this month’s rent or what it means for a cancer-ridden body to be the temple of the Holy Spirit, just the spiritual promise that someday all will be well.</p>
<p>That sort of denial of the created world in favor of escaping it all someday was difficult to hear, but it wasn’t surprising.  As much as a few more moderate evangelicals attempt to deny that such “pie-in-the-sky-when-we-die” theology is still around, it still shapes the faith experience of the typical evangelical church most Sundays.  What has surprised me recently is hearing similar dualism preached in churches that would never self-identity as being anywhere near such evangelicals theologically.  But despite having disparate views on the Bible, justification, and inclusiveness, the outcome of such dualism in those churches is the same – a disparaging of the body and elevation of the soul.  Be the roots a shallow neo-Gnosticism or popular Buddhism or simply a theology that starts with the Fall instead of creation, what get preached is that we are not our bodies.</p>
<p>It’s a way of viewing the world that makes that bumper sticker, “We are spiritual beings having a physical experience,” so popular.  What gets valued is not the actions of faith – caring for others, studying the word, serving the poor, tending to creation, feeding the hungry – but finding spiritual contentment deep down in one&#039;s soul.  While evangelicals admit that life now is messed-up and so look forward to escaping it all someday, progressive dualists want to escape it now through meditating, unplugging, and letting-go of any obligation to help build a better world.  </p>
<p>And therein lies the problem.  When faith is all about a dualistic escapism, it sadly allows no room for mercy.  Evangelicals often mock calls to work to save the environment or end extreme poverty because this world is not our home and is all going to burn anyway.  Progressive dualists similarly mock calls to work for justice as imposing unnecessary shoulds upon them that get in the way of them being present with their souls.  Both forms of denying our embodiment in this world provide convenient excuses for ignoring the needs of others as individuals are allowed to focus solely on their own personal spiritual needs.  It’s easier to opt out of loving one’s neighbor when one’s theology is built around such a hierarchical view of creation that not only divides our body and souls, but privileges the one over the other.  And with such views held by those in power, the bodies of the marginalized (women, the poor, the racially other, the queer, the old, the disabled) continue to be oppressed and ignored by those whose theologies assume they aren’t worth being bothered about.</p>
<p>These are theologies that I can’t reconcile with the way of Christ.  With the story of a God who, challenging the dualist religious assumptions of the time, became flesh and dwelled among us.  Who broke bread, healed bodies, and suffered on the cross.  Who says he despises our religious gatherings if all we do is pray and worship and neglect caring for the bodies of the hungry and the oppressed.  I have to affirm creation in its wholeness – undivided body and soul included.  My theology is embodied because spirituality encompasses all creation, not just the parts I happen to prefer.  I think <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Am-My-Body-Theology-Embodiment/dp/0826407862/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1313767552&#038;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Elisabeth Moltmann-Wendel</a> phased it best as she described what it means to live out this embodied theology –</p>
<blockquote><p>Disembodiment is lovelessness.  Insecurity, coldness, power and weariness are hidden behind abstraction.  A theology of embodiment mistrusts all self-made fantasies of the beyond which are engaged in at the expense of the healing of people here and the realization of the kingdom of God on this earth.  It is committed to a this-worldly expectation which here already looks for full, complete life, for wide spaces for women and men, and from this work derives the hope that nothing can separate us from the life and love of God.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Speculative Fiction, the Church, and Hope</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2011/08/12/speculative-fiction-the-church-and-hope/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So NPR just released the results of their survey for the Top 100 Science-fiction and Fantasy Books. It’s a great list with some of my all-time favorite books on it (although I disagree with their decision not to include young adult books on the list, but that’s just me). Some 5,000 books were nominated for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So NPR just released the results of their survey for the <a href="http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books" target="_blank">Top 100 Science-fiction and Fantasy Books</a>.  It’s a great list with some of my all-time favorite books on it (although I disagree with their decision not to include young adult books on the list, but that’s just me).  Some 5,000 books were nominated for the list, but the ones that made the top 100 were mostly ones that were more than just entertaining stories; they are the stories that mean something.  Stories that through their imaginings of alternative worlds tap into the power of the prophetic to deliver the message that our world too is not absolute, but imagined and therefore capable of change.</p>
<p>Now while I have <a href="http://julieclawson.com/2010/04/27/packaging-the-voice-of-the-other/" >complained</a> in the past about why imaginative challenges to oppressive orders in our world only seem to happen in speculative fictions, the genre still remains my favorite &#8211; often for that very reason.  As this recent <a href="http://www.themarysue.com/things-we-saw-today-a-comparison-of-notable-women-in-scifi-vs-mainstream-television/" target="_blank">comparison</a> of women of sci-fi vs. women of prime time shows, there are just so many more substantial ways of being in the world than the status quo generally allows for.  Speculative fictions not only present the possibility that the dreams we struggle for now could someday actually be realities, they are also the prophetic voice calling us into that world.</p>
<p>In many ways these fictions take up the task that the church has nearly completely abdicated.  Churches don’t use their collective voice and energy to challenge the existence of a world where God’s ways are not allowed to reign.  Oh, churches fight for their rights, but rarely are the ones helping build a better world for all.  Churches instead help people feel fulfilled, spiritually connected, and generally as comfortable as they can.  The church is often nothing more than a support group or vendor of experiences to help us feel like we belong.  God is tacked-on to make our experiences feel meaningful, but not to challenge us to subvert the constraints to the sovereignty of the Kingdom of God.  So we go to church to feel connected to a tradition, we go to get an “I’m okay, you’re okay” affirmation, we go to hear why we are right and everyone else is wrong, we go to feel safe and secure amidst likeminded people – but rarely do we go to imagine how everything could be different.  Dreaming of better world is apparently only for those sci-fi/fantasy geeks.</p>
<p>But it was the role of the biblical prophet to imagine alternative ways of living in this world that reflected the ways of God.  As Walter Brueggemann <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Social-Reading-Old-Testament/dp/0800627342/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1313172687&#038;sr=1-2" target="_blank">wrote</a> about the prophetic, it is “an assault on public imagination, aimed at showing that the present presumed world is not absolute, but that a thinkable alternative can be imagined, characterized, and lived in.  … Thus, the prophetic is an alternative to a positivism that is incapable of alternative, uneasy with critique, and so inclined to conformity.”<br />
Churches are inclined to comfort and emotional well-being, and so therefore to conformity (read a fantastic article about that <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marilyn-sewell/churches-charity-justice_b_924409.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008" target="_blank">here</a>).  Prophetic voices are dismissed as too political, too extreme, or just a quirk of personality.  Heck, in many churches even science-fiction and fantasy are banned because they are too subversive.  Churches don’t bother imagining a better world where God’s ways of compassion and justice reign because we are too comfortable with the world we have now.  We don’t want a prophet to challenge our comfort, or force us to look outside ourselves, or (heaven-forbid) start caring about the things God cares about.  </p>
<p>The church has shut the door on imagination.</p>
<p>Which is why so many of us are desperate for the hopeful imaginings offered in speculative fictions.</p>
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		<title>Crazy, Holy, Hungry Ones &#8211; My Wild Goose Reflection</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Blessed are the good-hearted, poets and the dreamers. And all us crazy, holy, hungry ones who still believe in something better.” I went to the Wild Goose Festival for the community. Meeting for the first time this year in the hills of beautiful North Carolina, Wild Goose was a gathering focused on arts, justice, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Blessed are the good-hearted, poets and the dreamers.  And all us crazy, holy, hungry ones who still believe in something better.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I went to the <a href="http://www.wildgoosefestival.org/" target="_blank">Wild Goose Festival</a> for the community.  Meeting for the first time this year in the hills of beautiful North Carolina, Wild Goose was a gathering focused on arts, justice, and faith. I went eager to reunite with old friends and to finally translate a few virtual relationships into reality.  Oh, I was excited to hear David Wilcox and Jennifer Knapp and learn from respected Christian leaders, but it was the gathering of friends that drew me and my family to the fest.  And while it was the community that brought me there, it was the communal experience of commitment that defined my time there.  Those lines posted above from Carrie Newcomer’s song “Where You Been,” sum up perfectly the experience that was the Wild Goose Festival.  </p>
<p>If anything, Wild Goose was a gathering of those who dream of a better way.  A better way to be human, a better way to be the church.  Not in a “we want to be better than you” sort of way, but more of a deep felt recognition that the world is not as it should be.  It was that wrestling with trying to live into the lives God created us to live that became the conversation at Wild Goose.  As part of that, one theme that kept resurfacing in the talks I heard was that of learning to be open to the full range of human emotions and experiences in the world.  The typical Christian impulse in our country is to dwell upon the joyful aspects of life and faith.  We put on the mask of pretending all is fine to the world.  We hold church services oriented around worship, praise, and the uplifting parts of scripture.  While there is nothing wrong with doing those things, they don’t allow the faithful to reflect the fullness of reality.  As the great civil rights activist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Harding" target="_blank">Vincent Harding</a> pointed out in his talk, there is pain and suffering in the church.  Institutional and social evils such as racism and the inequalities it produces affect the body of Christ – harming both those who commit and who suffer those sins.  To pretend that all is well when all is obviously not well is to pretend at joy – not to experience it in reality.  As Harding commented, to ever be able to truly laugh, one must also be allowed to honestly weep for all the pain and suffering.  Pretending that all is well or to deny that the suffering exists harms our souls, preventing us from being whole healthy people.  In his talk <a href="http://profrah.wordpress.com" target="_blank">Soong-Chan Rah</a> also called for the need to remember the words of lamentations in our churches.  The Western church has exorcised such biblical passages of lament from our services, lectionaries, and prayer books, and we would do well to be reminded from the global church (that knows far more about experiencing suffering) that recognizing and lamenting our sins and pain is part of what it means to follow God.</p>
<p>While the church of course has a long way to go in regards to becoming balanced and healthy in such ways, it was encouraging to get a small taste of what that might look like at the Wild Goose Festival.  I can’t speak for everyone there, but from the conversations I was a part of it truly did seem to be a gathering of folks who deeply dreamed of a better way.  People who desired for our faith to mean something tangible.  People, who, as <a href="http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/" target="_blank">Richard Rohr</a> said there, don’t want to settle for the easy shallow faith of merely worshiping God – putting God on an idealized but distant pedestal to be admired but not known.  They want to follow God in ways that transform their lives and therefore the lives of others as well.  People who desire to follow God in ways that bring about justice, that seek to restore broken relationships, that always orient around caring about the needs of others.  But also people who don’t trust in their own strength to do such things, who know the world and the church are messy, and that we need time for lament and repentance as part of our experience of following Jesus.</p>
<p>It can be easy to talk about such things, and I know I’ve done my fair share of talking before.  But what I appreciated about the Wild Goose festival was that it forced us past the point of posturing to a place of transparent honesty.  At most of our church gatherings, conferences, or cohorts we can easily erect a façade of self and allow others to see only what we desire them to see of who we are.  We can talk grand ideas, look as pious/hip/committed as we desire, and then escape back into our solitary lives without anyone glimpsing our rough edges.  But there is something about camping in close proximity in sweltering weather in fields crawling with ants and ticks, where the nearest water is a spigot several fields away, with your communal shit stinking up the port-a-potties and your children sleep-deprived from the excitement of camping and the loud bands that play into the wee small hours of the night that violently rips away any façade one might have attempted to hide behind.  Everyone sees you crawling dishelved out of your tent in the morning desperate to concoct a coffee-like-substance over your tiny camp stove.  Everyone hears you yelling at your kids to stop (literally) bouncing off the tent walls and go to sleep.  And I’m pretty sure half the people there witnessed my tired, hot, and hungry children having a grand royal meltdown in the food area one day at lunch.  It was just a few days, but it was real.</p>
<p>So when we came to worship together and share our passion for following God in transforming ways in this raw state of discomfort and exhaustion, it was more than just talk.  We were those crazy, holy, hungry ones who believe in something better.  It was a glimpse of the Kingdom of God that went far beyond just friends gathering to have fun together at a festival or to posture at caring for others.  It was a gathering of the most committed Christians I know – those who long to follow God wholly.  And that gave me great hope for the church.  I had to laugh when I read after the festival that some opponents were deriding the festival, questioning our faith and referring to the event as Apostate-palooza (because *obviously* anything to do with art, camping, and justice can’t possibly be Christian).  Yet I realized that they were right in a way.  This was a gathering of apostates of the church as it has become – a often meaningless and impotent entity beholden to civil structures of culture and politics that cares more about power and privilege and shoring up hollow rituals and traditions than it does about loving others and believing in God’s kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.  Wild Goose was a gathering of those crazy folks who are committed to a better way.   We are apostates of meaningless religion, ready to strip away the facades and get at the real work of following God.   </p>
<p>That was my Wild Goose experience – leaving me raw and tired and strangely full of hope.  </p>
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		<title>Acedia and the Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was at the pool with the kids recently and couldn’t help but overhear a very loud and opinionated conversation happening near me. Apparently two families were just meeting as their kids splashed together in the water and they were doing the whole share about their lives thing. One woman shared about how they make [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the pool with the kids recently and couldn’t help but overhear a very loud and opinionated conversation happening near me.  Apparently two families were just meeting as their kids splashed together in the water and they were doing the whole share about their lives thing.  One woman shared about how they make money from poker tournaments and so can spend most of their time out on their boat.  It was just a few minutes later that she started going off on all the idiots in America who don’t understand the value of money and so want to force people to give it away to undeserving poor people.  She ranted for quite some time about how those liberals are ruining our country and teaching our children that you don’t have to work to get money.  At one point she even threw in that she goes to church and knows that only the people who deserve healing should be given help.  </p>
<p>I listened incredulous to this conversation (which was loud enough that everyone at the pool couldn’t help but hear) and finally just left because the hate speech was escalating to the point that I would rather not expose my kids to such things.  Listening to her rants though made me think of a talk I had just heard about the dangers of acedia.  The term is most often associated these days with the sin of sloth (one of the seven deadly sins), but it goes much deeper than mere laziness to describe the state of not caring or being concerned with one’s position or condition in the world.  It’s a spiritual apathy that turns one inward instead of outward in a life oriented around loving others.  In the talk I heard, it was compared to compassion fatigue – not having the spiritual resources to care anymore.  In the talk I heard the advice that was given to combat acedia was to focus on my own relationship with God – which was defined as incorporating rituals of prayer and reflection into my days and disconnecting from the electronic world.  </p>
<p>That’s advice I’m hearing a lot in the American church these days.  Feeling overwhelmed and far from God? Then do more for yourself – reconnect (or disconnect as needed), get healthy, then you will have something to give back.  Another talk I heard recently advised people to never do anything because they think they should.  It’s okay not to care about poverty or kids dying in Africa if those aren’t the passions God has given you.  God gave us gifts and passions so we should spend our time on only the things that fill us with joy.  In other words – my relationship with God is all about me.  I as an individual must be happy, healthy, and whole – that is why I was created and that is how I am to live.  I must not feel guilty about not serving God or others if such things don’t make me happy, I should only do the things that feel comfortable to me.</p>
<p>I hear this kind of stuff over and over with reminders that the Christian life cannot be just about action and service but must contain contemplation to be balanced.  I agree with that, but every time I hear that line I have to ask if there really is such a dire and pressing danger that the church in America is focusing so much on action and service that we are neglecting contemplation?  In truth, I see exactly the opposite at work.  We are instead so concerned with our own individual spirituality that we rarely if ever engage in serving others.  We like hearing talks that tell us to think more about ourselves and not feel guilty about not serving others.  At my church recently there even was an audible collective sigh of relief when the pastor explained that while “blessed are the poor” can refer to the physically poor, it also refers to the poor in spirit which includes our own spiritual needs and struggles.  It’s far easier to care for ourselves than others.</p>
<p>Maybe most of the church isn’t so caught up in themselves that like the woman I heard at the pool they argue for not helping others at all (although that is a becoming a common response these days), but it seems like the greatest commandments these days are “love myself then love God” instead of “love God, love others.”  But in reality, our acedia, our spiritual fatigue, isn’t to blame on us not pampering ourselves with enough quiet times or devotional moments, but on our rampant self-absorption.  Constantly hearing that we need to focus more time on ourselves simply adds to the problem.  It’s not that I don’t see tremendous value in contemplation or think that we all need to practice self-care, but that perhaps we need to alter the most basic ways we view ourselves in the world.  We are not rugged individuals dependant on getting our own relationship with God right; we are members of the body of Christ, existing in relationship with God and others at all times.  Our gifts are meant to be shared eucharistically in community.  It is a way of living that the philosophy of Ubuntu that Desmond Tutu writes about refers to.  It is living not for oneself, but as a member of a community where one is “open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.”</p>
<p>The last thing the American church needs are more messages telling us to focus on ourselves.  Guilt trips and shoulds don’t help much either for our “it’s all about me” mentality knows how to resist anything that makes demands on our self.  It will take a drastic change in mindset to move us past our “I think therefore I don’t give a crap about anyone but myself” operating system.  But I think for the church to not only get over this plague of acedia, but to survive, we must start thinking communally.  As Ubuntu thought states, “I am because we are.”  We belong to God which means we belong to each other – embracing that relational identity may perhaps be our only hope.</p>
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		<title>The Body of Christ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If there is anything I’ve learned so far in life it’s that there are times and places where that whole “be all things to all people” thing makes a lot of sense. So, for instance, when I am sitting in a salon at the mercy of a stylist about to cut and color my hair, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is anything I’ve learned so far in life it’s that there are times and places where that whole “be all things to all people” thing makes a lot of sense.  So, for instance, when I am sitting in a salon at the mercy of a stylist about to cut and color my hair, I’m going to pretend to be just fine with her never-ending prattle about birther conspiracies and her country music songs telling me that real Southern women always looks good and vote Republican.  Call it lying or simply self-preservation, I know how to keep my mouth shut and nod along as necessary.  But cultural differences aside, as my recent conversation in the salon chair unfolded, I couldn’t help but wonder how in the world the church can minister to this particular demographic.</p>
<p>As these sorts of conversations go, we had to cover the topics of children and vocation.  I told her a bit about my kids including my daughter’s struggle with being by far the smartest kid in her class.  I was then informed by the stylist (who used to be a teacher) that I needed to avoid getting her into the Gifted and Talented programs at all costs because the kids in those programs aren’t actually smart they just ask a bunch of really annoying questions and make it difficult for anyone to learn anything.  Then after admitting to her (not without reservation) that I was in seminary studying theology, I got to hear her go off on what she hates about church.  Basically, she informed me that she can’t stand that churches focus so much on the Bible and studying theology and learning history.  In her view all of that was pointless and if a church wasn’t there to help her figure out how God can solve her problems, then she didn’t see the point.  </p>
<p>It was a sobering experience sitting in the chair listening to her talk.  She’s great at what she does (I love my hair), but it was a still a needed reminder of the perspective of the average American church attendee these days.  Just as education is about passing a test and not real learning, church is about getting that magic God-fix and not being wholly transformed.   I know that there are all sorts of churches (especially here in Texas) that cater to that sort of mentality, some even perhaps hoping that with bait and switch tactics they can get people to actually follow Christ once they get them in the door.  But, listening to her just had me wondering how the church can faithfully minister to people like her.</p>
<p>Is it possible to call people to be living sacrifices when they can’t even be bothered to know who it is they follow?  It’s hard enough to talk about turning the other cheek when there are celebratory flash mobs in the streets because we finally killed our enemy.  Or to call the church to love their neighbor when people see giving to others as an infringement on their entitlements.  But this goes even deeper.  It’s a mentality utterly at odds with the entire way of Christ and yet its adherents still claim to be Christian.  I struggle with knowing how to respond.  I know this issue is nothing new; it’s just difficult to be reminded of its extreme in such a blatant way.  But I keep wondering how can the body of Christ ever be healthy when so many of its members are non-functioning?</p>
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		<title>So this is Easter&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m one of those lazy people who doesn’t bother to do things like change the playlists on my iPod very often. So therefore as I was jogging the other night, John Lennon’s “So This is Christmas” started playing with the opening lines “so this is Christmas and what have you done? Another year over and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m one of those lazy people who doesn’t bother to do things like change the playlists on my iPod very often.  So therefore as I was jogging the other night, John Lennon’s “So This is Christmas” started playing with the opening lines “so this is Christmas and what have you done? Another year over and another just begun.”  The question stopped me up short as here we are in Holy Week at the end of Lent.  It forced me to reflect on my experience of Lent this year.</p>
<p>And in all truth, it’s been a strange season for me.  Holy Week as well.  I am immersed in the Christian world and yet I think Lady Gaga’s new controversial single “Judas” has prompted more spiritual reflection in me than anything else this week.  It’s been amusing to <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/lady-gaga-judas-video-controversy-mimics-madonna/story?id=13418812" target="_blank">follow the controversy</a> and to read the outrage of those who are incensed that anyone would dare admit to being tempted to love Judas over Jesus.  Because, of course, none of the rest of us ever betray Jesus in any way.  None of the rest of us lives in the real world full of its tensions and murky conflicts.  We all must preserve the façade of who we declare Jesus to be without admitting to the reality of the world we inhabit.  Or something like that.</p>
<p>So while Lady Gaga’s song was a well-timed publicity stunt, it is brilliantly proving its own social commentary in how it is being received.  A world that hypocritically denies its own hypocrisy is throwing a fit at having that hypocrisy pointed out in such an outrageous manner.  The Jesus they claim to follow doesn’t match the lives they live and it is a divided life that they are fine with until someone like Lady Gaga forcefully pulls down the dividing curtain.  But as I thought about it, I realized that it is that crazy divided life and disconnect from reality in the church that has defined my experience this Lent.  </p>
<p>During this season of spiritual reflection and sacrifice as Christians theoretically prepare ourselves to respond to the sacrifice of Christ by becoming living sacrifices ourselves, the church as I’ve experienced it this year has been hell-bent on defending tooth and claw its own personal construction of Jesus apart from the reality of the world.  On one hand there have been the vicious attacks on any who would dare suggest that maybe, just maybe, God’s love is stronger than death and will win in the end.  For some, theirconception of a limited God must be defended above relationships or the even the communion of saints.  Then on the other hand this season has been defined by large sections of the church campaigning to ensure that our government doesn’t waste our hard-earned tax dollars on programs for the poor and disadvantaged in our nation.  ‘Jesus’ must be defended at all costs, but never to the point that he actually crosses that dividing line into our real lives (and budgets).  This is how we have been preparing to celebrate the Resurrection this year.</p>
<p>Instead of letting the sacrifice of Christ prompt us to live eucharistically as the body of Christ that shares the abundant blessing and gifts of God with each other, this Lent has been defined by selfish hoardings of God’s love.  We limit God’s love to only those who intellectually assent to the same cognitive propositions as we do, and we then hoard God’s freely given blessings as if we’ve done something to deserve them or something.  We love Judas and the pieces of silver too much to actually follow the Christ we proclaim – but unlike Lady Gaga, we refuse to admit it.   </p>
<p>So this is Easter and what have we done?  It hurts my soul to see how the church has spent Lent this year.  We are the Body of Christ, why can’t we live like it?</p>
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		<title>Love Wins &#8211; A Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The editors at the Sojourner&#039;s God Politics blog sent me an advance copy of Rob Bell&#039;s controversial new book Love Wins to review. The review was originally posted at the blog here. Whether it was a brilliant marketing strategy or just a sad reflection of the charged atmosphere of Christian dialogue these days, one cannot [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The editors at the Sojourner&#039;s God Politics blog sent me an advance copy of Rob Bell&#039;s controversial new book Love Wins to review.  The review was originally posted at the blog <a href="http://blog.sojo.net/2011/03/15/what-does-rob-bell-really-say-a-review-of-the-actual-book-itself/" target="_blank">here</a>.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Love-Wins-About-Heaven-Person/dp/006204964X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1300210084&#038;sr=8-1" target="_blank"><img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/006204964X._SX150_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" width=200 height=300 align=left hspace=6 vspace=4></a>Whether it was a brilliant marketing strategy or just a sad reflection of the charged atmosphere of Christian dialogue these days, one cannot deny that Rob Bell’s latest book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Love-Wins-About-Heaven-Person/dp/006204964X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1300210084&#038;sr=8-1" target="_blank"><i>Love Wins</i></a> has stirred up a load of controversy before it has even hit the shelves.  As a book claiming the daunting task of being “A Book about Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived,” the uproar was understandable although disappointingly cruel at times.  For some reason many Christians hold to the notion that where we go when we die is the most important aspect of our faith and thus get rather up in arms when people even dare to open that topic up for conversation.  Bell deftly addresses the need to re-prioritize what is central to our faith, but more on that in a moment.  Let me first get the controversial stuff out of the way.</p>
<p>Does Bell believe in hell? Yes.  Does Bell believe in heaven? Yes.  Is Bell firmly rooted in Christian Orthodoxy? Yes.  Does Bell think that Jesus is the way? Yes.  Is Bell a universalist? If by that we mean that God is reconciling all creation to himself and that we shouldn’t assume that God will fail at this, then yes, Bell is a universalist.  If that’s all you want to know so that you can judge, label, dismiss or whatever, then you can stop reading now.  But if you are curious about what the book is really about and the hope-filled message of transformation it contains, then I invite you to keep reading.</p>
<p>At the most basic level, <em>Love Wins</em> is a typical Rob Bell book.  Which is to say that he writes like he speaks and so what the reader encounters is an easy to read yet powerful narrative that speaks straight to the heart.  Bell’s gift is to take tremendously complex theological concepts and translate them so that they are not just understandable to all but also blessedly practical.  People can complain that he is too popular or over-marketed, but it is this gift that makes him resonate with so many people.  At the same time, those who are versed in history and theology can clearly see the conversations of Christians through the centuries behind the ideas Bell expresses.  He is not espousing anything new in this book, simply making accessible the rich tradition of Christian thought for believers today.  </p>
<p>And what he is saying is powerful.  Bell gets at the heart of what Christians believe about God and isn’t afraid to challenge the implicit assumptions about God that are at the core of some Christians’ belief systems.  Central to that message is the suggestion that our relationship with the God of the universe is a dynamic and not static reality.  Jesus’ work on the cross isn’t just an historical event, but an ongoing narrative of redemption and reconciliation.  Our faith isn’t just about going to heaven when we die, but about entering into a relationship and partnership with God now and for eternity.  Heaven and hell are real for Bell, but are not simply places we go when we die. They are connected to who we are in Christ now.   We are called to accept the gift of a transformative life that can endure even death.  This life is a gift from a God who truly desires life on earth to be like it is in heaven, both now and for eternity, and who lets us  serve as partners in this work of reconciling a world that God loves and will never give up on.  </p>
<p> This message that God loves his creation so much that God refuses to give up on us, forms the core of Bell’s book.  Bell points out, that since the early church fathers, Christians have held that since God’s central essence is love, it is reconciliation and not eternal suffering that brings God the most glory.  What we believe and how we act are vitally important, but in the end upholding and glorifying the essence of God is most important.  And when we insist that people who think differently than us, or who haven’t had the same revelation as us, or who said a different prayer than us will be eternally separate from a God the scriptures say works for and longs for the redemption of all things, we are stripping God of his power and denying him glory.  </p>
<p>At the same time, Bell doesn’t deny that love involves freedom.  We are free to deny God and to refuse to live the ways of God’s kingdom.  God cannot abide injustice or greed or hatred – such things have no place in the world to come and have significant consequences in the world now.  Suffering exists and God cares about those in pain, yet God loves us enough to allow us to continue to live in the hell of our own choosing.  Hell is real, but it is a place we create for ourselves as we reject the gift of life God offers to us.  But in the scriptures judgment is always connected to restoration.  God essence is love and that essence can never change.  The gates of heaven never shut, for even as God will not abide injustice and sin in his realm he by nature is always desiring the reconciliation and restoration of all things.  God can never stop being God which means that in the end, love has to win.  </p>
<p><em>Love Wins</em> is not a book about who is in or out.  That sort of talk is too small.  It is a book that invites people to remember the life God is offering them and that encourages them to thrive as they joyously participate in that life.  Bell challenges theologies that seem to have forgotten what it means to live this life and moves the conversation back to a placed where Christians have the freedom to say yes to the gift God continually offers.  Christianity isn’t about being right or wrong, it’s about living joyously and transformativly for Jesus – and that is a message we can all benefit from being reminded of.</p>
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		<title>Christian Perspectives on LGBT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So a friend recently asked my opinion regarding the differing views churches hold about LGBT people. Since most people seem to think churches’ stances are limited to the either/or of complete rejection or full acceptance, I thought it was helpful to reflect on the more nuanced opinions that are out there. I’ve decided to post [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a friend recently asked my opinion regarding the differing views churches hold about LGBT people.  Since most people seem to think churches’ stances are limited to the either/or of complete rejection or full acceptance, I thought it was helpful to reflect on the more nuanced opinions that are out there.  I’ve decided to post the list of views I came up with below.  But first I need to state a few disclaimers and warnings.</p>
<p>I want to post this list to see what other options the readers here might have to contribute.  The point of this is not to argue which view is right, but merely to list what views are held by church.  Also, I’m writing as someone who has not personally experienced the pain and struggle that typify many LGBT peoples experience with the church.  I don’t want to ignore that pain or that in discussing churches’ views I am discussing things that have affected the lives of real people, but I’m only trying here to give a snapshot of what I’ve seen.  I’ve also left out the views on the extremes – i.e. the Fred Phelps hatred and the anything goes tolerance – to focus on views that I’ve had experience with in churches.  So here’s my 2 cents…</p>
<p><strong>Group 1.</strong> This group thinks all forms being gay are a willful choice to sin against God and the Bible.  While they might not use hate speech like Fred Phelps, they generally won’t allow gay people to attend their churches.  If they do, they insist that they repent and seek a cure for their sinful choices.  Often this group tries to hide the existence of gay people in culture as well.  They fight libraries that have children’s books about two mommies, they see a gay agenda in the media if a gay person shows up on a TV show, and oppose gay marriage as an endorsement of sin.  If they know anyone who is actually gay, it is generally only someone who has been treated of their problem and now asks for continual prayer that they won’t fall back into sin.  To them the Bible is clear and easy to understand in its condemnation of same-sex relationships since (in their view) people don’t interpret the Bible, it simple speak the truth for itself.  </p>
<p><strong>Group 2</strong>. The second group would still say that being gay is unbiblical/sinful, but they would be more nuanced and loving in that assertion.  They may or may not see being gay as a choice, but they will generally admit that it is something that goes so deep in a person that they cannot willfully choose not to be gay.  So while they might say that being gay may not be a choice (and therefore not wrong in and of itself), for them acting on gay desires is always wrong.  So while they love and accept people who have the condition, they condemn gay sex, gay relationships, and gay marriage.  So there are churches where people who openly identify as gay can attend (although they are always known by that label) and they might even be allowed to serve in some non-leadership positions in the church (but generally never with children).  Like hetero singles, they are constantly encouraged to keep pure but have the harder struggle since they know that they will never be allowed to find love without slipping into sin and being rejected by their church community.  There is generally much outreach in these communities to get practicing gays to join this “accepting” community where they have support to stop practicing.  </p>
<p><strong>Group 3</strong>. The third group generally believes that being gay is a condition and not a choice.  They may or may not believe that practicing being gay is biblical or not, but what they believe about that matters less than the fact that they know they need to be loving and accepting of all people.  Gay people are God’s beloved just as hetero people are, so the church should love them just as God loves them.  The discussions here are generally about rights and justice.  The language is that all people should be granted the same benefits of civil society no matter who they love.  So gay marriage is supported and any discrimination whatsoever is fought against and condemned.  Some in this group would still speak against gay promiscuity, just as they would hetero promiscuity (which is part of why they support gay marriage).  They understand that the Bible has been used in hurtful and hateful ways against gay people in the past and they want to move past that.  They might have read some alternative interpretations of the few Bible passages that seem to condemn same-sex relationships, but they may or may not be convinced by either interpretation.  Since they generally know and are friends with gay people, they are okay with the ambiguity of biblical interpretation because they see being in loving relationship as being far more important than dogma.  </p>
<p><strong>Group 4</strong>. In the fourth group I would place those that have devoted the time to digging through scripture and history and have decided that there is nothing unbiblical about same-sex relationships.  Their decision generally isn’t based on cultural-pressure or a sense of tolerance, but the conclusion of a serious wrestling with scripture.  They are often told that they are unbiblical and just want to support sin, but often they have very strong doctrine based on the Bible and Christian tradition (although it often is more of an ancient or postmodern interpretation than modern evangelical).  They will be advocates for the gay community when needed, but since their theology doesn’t see gay people as other, they often don’t see people first by that label.  They often have a hard time finding churches where they fit in as many churches either still see gay people as somehow inferior or make the entire church’s identity about including gay people.  While many people in this group devote themselves to wrestling honestly with the whole of scripture, there is a portion who knew they had to try to figure out the gay issue in scripture and so that is the extent of their wrestling.  So while they have intellectually resolved that scripture does not condemn gay people, they still might hold to “biblical” ideas of sexism and racism because they were taught such things when they were younger.  So it is hard to classify this group as liberal or tolerant, they are simply those who are willing to wrestle with scripture and conclude that there is no need to condemn.</p>
<p>Do these groups seem accurate?  What other perspectives would you add?</p>
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