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		<title>By: &#34;Our sin is a lack of confidence.&#34; : JulieGlavic.com</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2010/02/23/women-humility-and-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-9026</link>
		<dc:creator>&#34;Our sin is a lack of confidence.&#34; : JulieGlavic.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 23:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion going on about women in the church (and society) over at Julie Clawson&#8217;s blog. Check it out (both the post and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2010/02/23/women-humility-and-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-6836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful, liberating writing!  Wow!  Thanks.
When Kathy wrote: i am mainly just sad for all the beautiful passionate wise and powerful women who have no places to use their voice, their gifts inside the church.
there was something in me that twitched uncomfortably at &quot;powerful women&quot; and I was reminded how debilitating a fear there is in so many church circles of strong women.  Sad.  I&#039;ve been called controlling and have known women who&#039;ve been called Jezebels.  Yikes.  I think Jesus liked strong women. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, liberating writing!  Wow!  Thanks.<br />
When Kathy wrote: i am mainly just sad for all the beautiful passionate wise and powerful women who have no places to use their voice, their gifts inside the church.<br />
there was something in me that twitched uncomfortably at &#034;powerful women&#034; and I was reminded how debilitating a fear there is in so many church circles of strong women.  Sad.  I&#039;ve been called controlling and have known women who&#039;ve been called Jezebels.  Yikes.  I think Jesus liked strong women. <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.  This post put into words something I have been struggling with myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.  This post put into words something I have been struggling with myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Iheartfashion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iheartfashion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, insightful post. Glad to have stumbled on your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, insightful post. Glad to have stumbled on your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Clergy Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clergy Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, just started reading your blog and I enjoy your writing. I appreciate vulnerabilities you expressed.  The other comments were also vulnerable and touching. 

I can certainly relate to the &quot;imposter syndrome.&quot; Something about church sets us up to hide our flaws, usually from fear of being judged. At the same time we judge ourselves harshly too. 

I wonder if it&#039;s possible to have high standards to which we hold each other accountable, and at the same time extend grace and acceptance? We know we should, but it&#039;s hard to get that right.  I sure don&#039;t give it to myself in the right balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, just started reading your blog and I enjoy your writing. I appreciate vulnerabilities you expressed.  The other comments were also vulnerable and touching. </p>
<p>I can certainly relate to the &#034;imposter syndrome.&#034; Something about church sets us up to hide our flaws, usually from fear of being judged. At the same time we judge ourselves harshly too. </p>
<p>I wonder if it&#039;s possible to have high standards to which we hold each other accountable, and at the same time extend grace and acceptance? We know we should, but it&#039;s hard to get that right.  I sure don&#039;t give it to myself in the right balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read this amazing of a post in many many months, perhaps not ever. It was amazing because it is so true,  and also amazing because I had never thought in those terms. It had me wanting to scream YESYESYES and then cry for a very long time, because it describes so perfectly the feelings I&#039;ve had for years.

I&#039;m 33. I&#039;m a once-ambitious professional (and a Christian woman, shockingly!) with 2 and 4 year old sons. I still work professionally in an 80% appointment, which means my career is essentially stalled. That&#039;s a struggle, but I&#039;ve had to accept that it is right for this time and to leave my future to God to use the gifts he&#039;s given me - either in career, or ministry, or both, as he sees fit. Oh, and I&#039;m moving out of our childrens&#039; ministry into another area that fits better with my gifts - and fortunately my church is supportive.

Esther:
“Confession: Sometimes I get really frustrated when people say that being a mom is the highest calling in life. (especially when they are not really listening to the tension I feel between being a mom and also using the other gifts God has given me)”

Esther - you nailed it. I&#039;m sure being a mom is the highest calling in life for some people. For me, it&#039;s a high calling. But there is so much in me that yearns for other things. I know I need to discipline myself - I can&#039;t always be chasing yearnings. But at the same time, some of them are God-given, so...?

Ashley D:
&quot;I feel insufficient in so many ways, but I can’t really place my finger on why. It could be that I have so many gifts and I know that I’m not living up to them and taking full advantage of them, so I feel guilty. It could also be that when I do try to put those gifts into use, I end up spreading myself too thin and then I know I’m not doing each of those responsibilities justice…guilt again. I have been an incredibly confident and independent woman in the past, but perhaps these humbling experiences may actually be beneficial for a time. Maybe I need to realize that I am a limited mortal being and I can’t do everything on my own all the time. I don’t think we should feel lesser than we are, but there is some honesty in accepting our shortcomings and failures. This pride thing is a thin balance.&quot;

Ashley - yes, there&#039;s that too. Being a mom, with all its limitations on my productivity and possibility, is a totally character-developing experience. I know God is using it and will continue to refine me through it. But MAN do I chafe against the limitations that being a mom brings in my life. I just have to trust that God is working all things together for the good of my life and his kingdom, and that those other gifts will be polished up and used for his kingdom in an even more amazing way because of what I&#039;ve learned from being a mom.

Carrie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#039;t read this amazing of a post in many many months, perhaps not ever. It was amazing because it is so true,  and also amazing because I had never thought in those terms. It had me wanting to scream YESYESYES and then cry for a very long time, because it describes so perfectly the feelings I&#039;ve had for years.</p>
<p>I&#039;m 33. I&#039;m a once-ambitious professional (and a Christian woman, shockingly!) with 2 and 4 year old sons. I still work professionally in an 80% appointment, which means my career is essentially stalled. That&#039;s a struggle, but I&#039;ve had to accept that it is right for this time and to leave my future to God to use the gifts he&#039;s given me &#8211; either in career, or ministry, or both, as he sees fit. Oh, and I&#039;m moving out of our childrens&#039; ministry into another area that fits better with my gifts &#8211; and fortunately my church is supportive.</p>
<p>Esther:<br />
“Confession: Sometimes I get really frustrated when people say that being a mom is the highest calling in life. (especially when they are not really listening to the tension I feel between being a mom and also using the other gifts God has given me)”</p>
<p>Esther &#8211; you nailed it. I&#039;m sure being a mom is the highest calling in life for some people. For me, it&#039;s a high calling. But there is so much in me that yearns for other things. I know I need to discipline myself &#8211; I can&#039;t always be chasing yearnings. But at the same time, some of them are God-given, so&#8230;?</p>
<p>Ashley D:<br />
&#034;I feel insufficient in so many ways, but I can’t really place my finger on why. It could be that I have so many gifts and I know that I’m not living up to them and taking full advantage of them, so I feel guilty. It could also be that when I do try to put those gifts into use, I end up spreading myself too thin and then I know I’m not doing each of those responsibilities justice…guilt again. I have been an incredibly confident and independent woman in the past, but perhaps these humbling experiences may actually be beneficial for a time. Maybe I need to realize that I am a limited mortal being and I can’t do everything on my own all the time. I don’t think we should feel lesser than we are, but there is some honesty in accepting our shortcomings and failures. This pride thing is a thin balance.&#034;</p>
<p>Ashley &#8211; yes, there&#039;s that too. Being a mom, with all its limitations on my productivity and possibility, is a totally character-developing experience. I know God is using it and will continue to refine me through it. But MAN do I chafe against the limitations that being a mom brings in my life. I just have to trust that God is working all things together for the good of my life and his kingdom, and that those other gifts will be polished up and used for his kingdom in an even more amazing way because of what I&#039;ve learned from being a mom.</p>
<p>Carrie</p>
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		<title>By: BigMikeInAustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigMikeInAustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of guys also have those feelings. But guys are always told &quot;Be a man. Suck it up. Don&#039;t be such a woman, keep your feelings to yourself. A real man doesn&#039;t worry about those things.&quot;

Women are expected to have emotions and listen to them and it&#039;s socially preferred that women have mental issues.  While guys are told to not inner-reflect and to ignore emotions.  Guys, especially fathers and husbands, are supposed to be &quot;the rock&quot; that a family is built on, so even when a guy wants to talk about these feelings, it&#039;s hard to find someone who will listen and not just tell him to grow up.

The cause of these feelings has nothing to do with gender or God.  But the reliance on fitting in with society has a big impact on how individuals deal with those feelings and how they manifest.  Everyone has these feelings.  If you are around people who do not help your self-esteem, you simply have to get out, although society may look down on it and gossip, it is your life. 

And just to show how universal this feeling is, look at all the successful Japanese businessmen who jump out of buildings because they made a mistake and can&#039;t handle the possibility that their family will be ashamed of them.  Exact same feeling, but different religious and social views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of guys also have those feelings. But guys are always told &#034;Be a man. Suck it up. Don&#039;t be such a woman, keep your feelings to yourself. A real man doesn&#039;t worry about those things.&#034;</p>
<p>Women are expected to have emotions and listen to them and it&#039;s socially preferred that women have mental issues.  While guys are told to not inner-reflect and to ignore emotions.  Guys, especially fathers and husbands, are supposed to be &#034;the rock&#034; that a family is built on, so even when a guy wants to talk about these feelings, it&#039;s hard to find someone who will listen and not just tell him to grow up.</p>
<p>The cause of these feelings has nothing to do with gender or God.  But the reliance on fitting in with society has a big impact on how individuals deal with those feelings and how they manifest.  Everyone has these feelings.  If you are around people who do not help your self-esteem, you simply have to get out, although society may look down on it and gossip, it is your life. </p>
<p>And just to show how universal this feeling is, look at all the successful Japanese businessmen who jump out of buildings because they made a mistake and can&#039;t handle the possibility that their family will be ashamed of them.  Exact same feeling, but different religious and social views.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Blomquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Blomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post !

Too many women, far far too many women whom I know have expressed similar things (in and outside of the American Evangelical context).</description>
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<p>Too many women, far far too many women whom I know have expressed similar things (in and outside of the American Evangelical context).</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Cromer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Cromer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much!  I have tears in my eyes from reading your words, and have never ever replied to a posting --- but your thoughts, and heart echoes touched my life and my living so deeply I have to stop and say YES YES YES  . . . thank you for expressing beautifully what so many are barely able to reach down, dig out and even look at.  I come from this previous breaking the barriers generation where we were/still are! just excited to hear the words feminist and theologians put together -- as if one must identify their gender as they declare their gift and trade -- yet we had to and then frequently had to duck to avoid the reactions.
God bless you and your words, your courage --- and how did it feel to look at that First Lady with those Arms?!?  --after all, that&#039;s always our &quot;real&quot; question, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much!  I have tears in my eyes from reading your words, and have never ever replied to a posting &#8212; but your thoughts, and heart echoes touched my life and my living so deeply I have to stop and say YES YES YES  . . . thank you for expressing beautifully what so many are barely able to reach down, dig out and even look at.  I come from this previous breaking the barriers generation where we were/still are! just excited to hear the words feminist and theologians put together &#8212; as if one must identify their gender as they declare their gift and trade &#8212; yet we had to and then frequently had to duck to avoid the reactions.<br />
God bless you and your words, your courage &#8212; and how did it feel to look at that First Lady with those Arms?!?  &#8211;after all, that&#039;s always our &#034;real&#034; question, isn&#039;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Makeesha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makeesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike put it very well</description>
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