Comments on: Moltmann Reflections 1 http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/ incantations at the edge of uncertainty Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:00:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: barry ballard http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6594 barry ballard Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:13:57 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-6594 hey julie will you link my moltmann blog? i cross-linked your's on mine thank you, barry lecturesonjurgenmoltmann.blogspot.com thanks again............... jurgen is pretty important to get out there hey julie will you link my moltmann blog? i cross-linked your's on mine

thank you, barry

lecturesonjurgenmoltmann.blogspot.com

thanks again…………… jurgen is pretty important to get out there

]]> By: barry ballard http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6491 barry ballard Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:39:29 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-6491 julie this a beautiful article , from a very compassionate perspective. thank you julie this a beautiful article , from a very compassionate perspective. thank you

]]> By: barry ballard http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6409 barry ballard Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:05:38 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-6409 julie, i'm a personal friend of jurgen's and paralyzed;so ican only clap with one hand(the right. i can't type but i can speak. this is a lecture on the space for creative art in moltmann's theology. thank you, barry ballard http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HINCABA8 julie, i'm a personal friend of jurgen's and paralyzed;so ican only clap with one hand(the right. i can't type but i can speak. this is a lecture on the space for creative art in moltmann's theology. thank you, barry ballard

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HINCABA8

]]> By: Dream Awakener » Choice Blog Entries – Moltmann, Leadership, Simplicity http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5397 Dream Awakener » Choice Blog Entries – Moltmann, Leadership, Simplicity Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:04:45 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5397 [...] of my trip to Kenya, so it’s great that Julie Clawson at onehandclapping is sharing some of her reflections during the time. This first reflection she talks about how at one point Moltmann spoke about “two crosses of [...] [...] of my trip to Kenya, so it's great that Julie Clawson at onehandclapping is sharing some of her reflections during the time. This first reflection she talks about how at one point Moltmann spoke about "two crosses of [...]

]]> By: Chris Cottingham http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5386 Chris Cottingham Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:33:39 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5386 Thanks for the comments. I've also had almost no contact with Moltmann's thought, but this all sounds good. I especially like this sentence: "But conversion through coercion is not a reflection of hope and love, but of fear." That's become a powerful guide to me over the last few years - simply monitoring myself by asking "am I acting from faith or from fear?" (For example, when I desire to confront someone, is it because I in faith believe a better understanding and even reconciliation is possible, or because their perspective so infuriates/frightens me that I want to beat them up/run away from them.) Thanks for the comments. I've also had almost no contact with Moltmann's thought, but this all sounds good. I especially like this sentence: "But conversion through coercion is not a reflection of hope and love, but of fear." That's become a powerful guide to me over the last few years – simply monitoring myself by asking "am I acting from faith or from fear?" (For example, when I desire to confront someone, is it because I in faith believe a better understanding and even reconciliation is possible, or because their perspective so infuriates/frightens me that I want to beat them up/run away from them.)

]]> By: ra ga http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5383 ra ga Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:30:01 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5383 Christianity should be about "hope, our faith becomes about struggle with the Other instead of love of the Other. Instead of acknowledging that through Christ’s suffering, all can be reconciled, we desire to forcibly make others think as we do. But conversion through coercion is not a reflection of hope and love, but of fear. If we cannot let the other be who they are and encounter the cross on their own terms, then we have forsaken the cross in favor of empire (be that a political or ideological empire)" that's right but for hundreds of years Americans have used religion to dominate and justify the killing Of Native Americans, Slavery, stealing Native American land....Now using Christianity to bring down Pres. Obama. Now some Christians may not see it this way....and that's okay I guess.But in the long run By not standing up to those that use fear(like hate radio Glen beck,rush,oriely....) Christian will suffer Christianity should be about "hope, our faith becomes about struggle with the Other instead of love of the Other. Instead of acknowledging that through Christ’s suffering, all can be reconciled, we desire to forcibly make others think as we do. But conversion through coercion is not a reflection of hope and love, but of fear. If we cannot let the other be who they are and encounter the cross on their own terms, then we have forsaken the cross in favor of empire (be that a political or ideological empire)" that's right but for hundreds of years Americans have used religion to dominate and justify the killing Of Native Americans, Slavery, stealing Native American land….Now using Christianity to bring down Pres. Obama. Now some Christians may not see it this way….and that's okay I guess.But in the long run By not standing up to those that use fear(like hate radio Glen beck,rush,oriely….) Christian will suffer

]]> By: Mark Baker-Wright http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5353 Mark Baker-Wright Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:37:41 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5353 Minor nit-pick against myself. It's the Barmen <i>Declaration</i> (not "Confession"). Minor nit-pick against myself. It's the Barmen Declaration (not "Confession").

]]> By: Mark Baker-Wright http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5352 Mark Baker-Wright Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:35:27 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5352 "It always frightens me that there nothing in the Creeds to call Constantine (or Schleiermacher or Hitler) to account." The PC(USA) has adopted the Barmen Confession, which rather directly addresses Hitler. It's not an "ecumenical" creed, but at worst it only serves to note that some of these issues only began to be addressed more recently than the time of those ancient creeds. "It always frightens me that there nothing in the Creeds to call Constantine (or Schleiermacher or Hitler) to account."

The PC(USA) has adopted the Barmen Confession, which rather directly addresses Hitler. It's not an "ecumenical" creed, but at worst it only serves to note that some of these issues only began to be addressed more recently than the time of those ancient creeds.

]]> By: J. R. Daniel Kirk http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5345 J. R. Daniel Kirk Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:44:50 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5345 Right on. This was one of the highlights for me. The problem of the "two crosses" underscores for me the imperative call to embrace a narrative theology. When our theology is the theology of Jesus' death and resurrection, when these form our hermeneutics for life and for scripture, we are doing truly Christian readings of the world and our communities and our Bibles. It always frightens me that there nothing in the Creeds to call Constantine (or Schleiermacher or Hitler) to account. But there is something in the narrative of the crucified Christ: kingdom mission as the way of self-giving love so that others might live. Right on. This was one of the highlights for me. The problem of the "two crosses" underscores for me the imperative call to embrace a narrative theology. When our theology is the theology of Jesus' death and resurrection, when these form our hermeneutics for life and for scripture, we are doing truly Christian readings of the world and our communities and our Bibles.

It always frightens me that there nothing in the Creeds to call Constantine (or Schleiermacher or Hitler) to account. But there is something in the narrative of the crucified Christ: kingdom mission as the way of self-giving love so that others might live.

]]> By: Milton Kliesch http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/12/moltmann-reflections-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5342 Milton Kliesch Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:40:28 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1180#comment-5342 I pastor in Southwest Mississippi. The theology of Imperialism is so ingrained in how people understand the world. It flavors and colors all of their religious and political thinking. Most are not willing to do the theological work to move from a theological understanding based on Imperialism to one based on the cross and hope. I work away at trying to get people to explore and examine, but change comes slowly and is often resisted. Great stuff from Moltmann. Thanks for sharing with us. I pastor in Southwest Mississippi. The theology of Imperialism is so ingrained in how people understand the world. It flavors and colors all of their religious and political thinking. Most are not willing to do the theological work to move from a theological understanding based on Imperialism to one based on the cross and hope. I work away at trying to get people to explore and examine, but change comes slowly and is often resisted. Great stuff from Moltmann. Thanks for sharing with us.

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