Comments on: Confession and Guilt http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/03/confession-and-guilt/ incantations at the edge of uncertainty Mon, 21 May 2012 01:57:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: robyn beckley vining http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/03/confession-and-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-5349 robyn beckley vining Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:40:18 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1163#comment-5349 I first heard Rob talk about this at Poets Prophets Preachers. It was a tie-the-clouds-together moment. My husband and I have been working on similar concepts out of genesis for almost 3 years now, and felt incredibly validated to hear we aren't crazy. Or at least other people are in our crazy-boat. It's a big, big concept. And beautiful. And fantastic. Begin in the beginning. Tell the story that's being told. And work to restore the great shalom that existed at the creation of time. Beautiful. I think the world would be a better place if we all took in 3 Rob Bell sermons: This one. Drop the Jawbone from June, I think? And Grace & Peace from January almost 2 years ago. Precisely because of how Bell deals with guilt/freedom, love, grace, peace (The Great Shalom), and the restoration of us and the world. Oh, and their links with justice. Because they link with justice. Did ya know? It's like an everyday thing :) I first heard Rob talk about this at Poets Prophets Preachers. It was a tie-the-clouds-together moment. My husband and I have been working on similar concepts out of genesis for almost 3 years now, and felt incredibly validated to hear we aren't crazy. Or at least other people are in our crazy-boat.

It's a big, big concept. And beautiful. And fantastic. Begin in the beginning. Tell the story that's being told. And work to restore the great shalom that existed at the creation of time. Beautiful.

I think the world would be a better place if we all took in 3 Rob Bell sermons:
This one.
Drop the Jawbone from June, I think?
And Grace & Peace from January almost 2 years ago.

Precisely because of how Bell deals with guilt/freedom, love, grace, peace (The Great Shalom), and the restoration of us and the world. Oh, and their links with justice. Because they link with justice. Did ya know? It's like an everyday thing :)

]]> By: Jason Goroncy http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/03/confession-and-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-5338 Jason Goroncy Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:56:07 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1163#comment-5338 Julie. Good post. I think you're instincts here point in the right direction, but unless we ground this action of shalom-making in the vicarious humanity of Christ and in Christ's vicarious confession for all of humanity's guilt (whether acknowledged or not) then there is a danger that we might construe that the commitments you are properly calling us to here are without God's own (in your words) 'deeper commitments to the way of Christ'. Julie. Good post. I think you're instincts here point in the right direction, but unless we ground this action of shalom-making in the vicarious humanity of Christ and in Christ's vicarious confession for all of humanity's guilt (whether acknowledged or not) then there is a danger that we might construe that the commitments you are properly calling us to here are without God's own (in your words) 'deeper commitments to the way of Christ'.

]]> By: caedmon http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/03/confession-and-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-5313 caedmon Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:06:17 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1163#comment-5313 "All too often those of us who talk about the need to confess our cultural sins (as with purchasing unfairly made items or benefiting from the past slavery of others) are accused of just wanting people to feel guilty." I think there is a simple reason for that accusation. Without Jesus, without a repentance that includes a re-turning to God through his son, there is no absolution, no putting away of the sin. Those who do not know experientially the grace of Christ (and I believe this includes many members of our churches, not just non-christians), have no reason to associate anything other than guilt with admission of sin. I wholeheartedly agree with the statement you took from Bell's message and with your conclusion. I need to be careful to take this forward not by calling out the sins of others, but by calling out my own, modeling this attitude toward sin/confession/repentance that leads to wholeness and shalom. "All too often those of us who talk about the need to confess our cultural sins (as with purchasing unfairly made items or benefiting from the past slavery of others) are accused of just wanting people to feel guilty."

I think there is a simple reason for that accusation. Without Jesus, without a repentance that includes a re-turning to God through his son, there is no absolution, no putting away of the sin. Those who do not know experientially the grace of Christ (and I believe this includes many members of our churches, not just non-christians), have no reason to associate anything other than guilt with admission of sin.

I wholeheartedly agree with the statement you took from Bell's message and with your conclusion. I need to be careful to take this forward not by calling out the sins of others, but by calling out my own, modeling this attitude toward sin/confession/repentance that leads to wholeness and shalom.

]]> By: …Links for you Linking pleasure 29… « Community of the Risen http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/03/confession-and-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-5312 …Links for you Linking pleasure 29… « Community of the Risen Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:40:36 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1163#comment-5312 [...] Clawson talks about confession as she heard it first hand at Mars Hill.  Rather than simply being about confessing your sins and [...] [...] Clawson talks about confession as she heard it first hand at Mars Hill.  Rather than simply being about confessing your sins and [...]

]]> By: Daniel Korol http://julieclawson.com/2009/09/03/confession-and-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-5311 Daniel Korol Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:46:58 +0000 http://julieclawson.com/?p=1163#comment-5311 Thanks for this, I listened to the same sermon and appreciated your thoughts on it. Thanks for this, I listened to the same sermon and appreciated your thoughts on it.

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