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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/24/memorial-day-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-4907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!  By putting a face on and name to the enemy they quickly become friends and family.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  By putting a face on and name to the enemy they quickly become friends and family.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Morizot</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/24/memorial-day-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-4899</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Morizot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The stories I heard growing up from my Dad about Vietnam, the ones he was willing to share, when he was willing to share them, pretty much ensured I had few illusions about wars and those who lead us into them.

Heck, just watching him as he more or less recovered from it would have done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The stories I heard growing up from my Dad about Vietnam, the ones he was willing to share, when he was willing to share them, pretty much ensured I had few illusions about wars and those who lead us into them.</p>
<p>Heck, just watching him as he more or less recovered from it would have done that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Add to that the fact that many wars are questionable to begin with (I’m sorry but soldiers who died in Iraq or vietmam are not taking bullets for my freedom).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a really good point to remember. The idea of being willing to sacrifice one&#039;s life to defend others or defend the freedom of one&#039;s country may be an honorable thing that should be remembered with gratitude. However, that does not mean that every war that we&#039;ve sent our troops into was actually for those purposes. Personally I think &quot;supporting our troops&quot; should mean more than just putting them on some pedestal as heroes. It should also include helping them heal from the scars inflicted on them by the unnecessary wars our leaders have forced them to fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Add to that the fact that many wars are questionable to begin with (I’m sorry but soldiers who died in Iraq or vietmam are not taking bullets for my freedom).</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#039;s a really good point to remember. The idea of being willing to sacrifice one&#039;s life to defend others or defend the freedom of one&#039;s country may be an honorable thing that should be remembered with gratitude. However, that does not mean that every war that we&#039;ve sent our troops into was actually for those purposes. Personally I think &#034;supporting our troops&#034; should mean more than just putting them on some pedestal as heroes. It should also include helping them heal from the scars inflicted on them by the unnecessary wars our leaders have forced them to fight.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardOn</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardOn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting site, but much advertisments on him. Shall read as subscription, rss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting site, but much advertisments on him. Shall read as subscription, rss.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/24/memorial-day-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-4896</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - it was a mostly general comment, but that brought in things AB had addressed.  I was just feeling too lazy to comment directly on all the comments :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; it was a mostly general comment, but that brought in things AB had addressed.  I was just feeling too lazy to comment directly on all the comments <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pippin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 22:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie-- I&#039;m not quite sure who or what you are addressing here. Are you specifically addressing AB&#039;s post-- or are you addressing the entire notion of remembering the soldiers who died in war with cynicism? I don&#039;t mean to offend-- just not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie&#8211; I&#039;m not quite sure who or what you are addressing here. Are you specifically addressing AB&#039;s post&#8211; or are you addressing the entire notion of remembering the soldiers who died in war with cynicism? I don&#039;t mean to offend&#8211; just not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/24/memorial-day-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-4894</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 21:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like others have mentioned here - war hurts a lot of people, mostly innocent people on both sides.  To forget that and to paint the other side as enemies or simply to ignore their pain doesn&#039;t seem to fit in with the whole &quot;love your neighbor as yourself&quot; thing.  Add to that the fact that many ways are questionable to begin with (I&#039;m sorry but soldiers who died in Iraq or vietmam are not taking bullets for my freedom).  I heard once that every decision to commit a country to war should not be made by the power hungry men in charge but by the mothers who will lose husbands and children and who will then live a destitute life on the non-existent pension a war-widow receives.  We can buy the dream of a hero dying for a &quot;greater cause&quot; or we can weigh in the real pain that the living suffer in the name of heroism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others have mentioned here &#8211; war hurts a lot of people, mostly innocent people on both sides.  To forget that and to paint the other side as enemies or simply to ignore their pain doesn&#039;t seem to fit in with the whole &#034;love your neighbor as yourself&#034; thing.  Add to that the fact that many ways are questionable to begin with (I&#039;m sorry but soldiers who died in Iraq or vietmam are not taking bullets for my freedom).  I heard once that every decision to commit a country to war should not be made by the power hungry men in charge but by the mothers who will lose husbands and children and who will then live a destitute life on the non-existent pension a war-widow receives.  We can buy the dream of a hero dying for a &#034;greater cause&#034; or we can weigh in the real pain that the living suffer in the name of heroism.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippin</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2009/05/24/memorial-day-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-4892</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So as we are meant to keep the memory of the heroic dead on this day, I have to wonder if the “wealth and taste of the nation” might have some better use than preserving the memory of a fight to destroy those who are now our friends?&quot;
&quot;But maybe it’s a good thing that community building has replaced the honoring of the dead as the main purpose of the day.&quot;

I know I&#039;m probably just repeating my previous post but I guess I just found a slightly different way of wording it ;) 
I do think a time for the remembering and honouring of the war dead has a very valid place-- although of course every holiday has different meanings and functions for different people, and it will be a necessary and deeply resonant ritual for some, others would prefer to focus on gathering family and friends for the holiday and creating new memories. 

I don&#039;t think, as I said, that remembering those who died in battle need be about &quot;preserving the memory of a fight to destroy those who are now are now our friends&quot;-- that&#039;s what should change. I can remember how my countrymen of a previous generation died fighting the Japanese or the Nazis, without any lingering hatred or sense of &#039;them&#039; vs &#039;us&#039; for Germany or Japan today-- I understand it was a very different time, a very different kind of government that was in power. My remembering them is no indictment of the Japanese or Germans, but particular institutions that existed in those countries *at the time*. I think we can forgive and move on, but that does not mean forgetting or whitewashing the past or not acknowledging what happened-- but looking at it through eyes free of blame or hatred for those who represent the other side. War, however necessary, whoever started it, whichever way you cut it is a tragedy, for everyone-- and as each country remembers their own war dead, we are all ultimately less different than we are the same. Although the narratives might be different, all of us are remembering someone&#039;s son, someone&#039;s father or brother, all who in one way or another was caught up in a convoluted web of violence, madness and death, one that we all still struggle to make sense of. We can reflect both with quiet gratitude-- and grief-- and hope that we might give our generation the chance they never had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;So as we are meant to keep the memory of the heroic dead on this day, I have to wonder if the “wealth and taste of the nation” might have some better use than preserving the memory of a fight to destroy those who are now our friends?&#034;<br />
&#034;But maybe it’s a good thing that community building has replaced the honoring of the dead as the main purpose of the day.&#034;</p>
<p>I know I&#039;m probably just repeating my previous post but I guess I just found a slightly different way of wording it <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I do think a time for the remembering and honouring of the war dead has a very valid place&#8211; although of course every holiday has different meanings and functions for different people, and it will be a necessary and deeply resonant ritual for some, others would prefer to focus on gathering family and friends for the holiday and creating new memories. </p>
<p>I don&#039;t think, as I said, that remembering those who died in battle need be about &#034;preserving the memory of a fight to destroy those who are now are now our friends&#034;&#8211; that&#039;s what should change. I can remember how my countrymen of a previous generation died fighting the Japanese or the Nazis, without any lingering hatred or sense of &#039;them&#039; vs &#039;us&#039; for Germany or Japan today&#8211; I understand it was a very different time, a very different kind of government that was in power. My remembering them is no indictment of the Japanese or Germans, but particular institutions that existed in those countries *at the time*. I think we can forgive and move on, but that does not mean forgetting or whitewashing the past or not acknowledging what happened&#8211; but looking at it through eyes free of blame or hatred for those who represent the other side. War, however necessary, whoever started it, whichever way you cut it is a tragedy, for everyone&#8211; and as each country remembers their own war dead, we are all ultimately less different than we are the same. Although the narratives might be different, all of us are remembering someone&#039;s son, someone&#039;s father or brother, all who in one way or another was caught up in a convoluted web of violence, madness and death, one that we all still struggle to make sense of. We can reflect both with quiet gratitude&#8211; and grief&#8211; and hope that we might give our generation the chance they never had.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Sine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Sine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie great article.  It reminded me of my feelings when I was home in Australia last year and our trip coincided with Australia&#039;s equivalent of memorial day.  It is called Anzac Day in honour of those that died in the battle of Gallipoli in Turkey during the first world war - a terrible battle that went on for months in which thousands of men died on both sides and no territory was ever gained.  One of the largest celebrations of Anzac day now is held on the beach of Gallipoli with 30,000 plus people attending from Australia, New Zealand and Turkey - the emphasis is on the need for reconciliation and understanding across cultures.  It was very moving and I thought very hope bringing too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie great article.  It reminded me of my feelings when I was home in Australia last year and our trip coincided with Australia&#039;s equivalent of memorial day.  It is called Anzac Day in honour of those that died in the battle of Gallipoli in Turkey during the first world war &#8211; a terrible battle that went on for months in which thousands of men died on both sides and no territory was ever gained.  One of the largest celebrations of Anzac day now is held on the beach of Gallipoli with 30,000 plus people attending from Australia, New Zealand and Turkey &#8211; the emphasis is on the need for reconciliation and understanding across cultures.  It was very moving and I thought very hope bringing too.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel H. Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel H. Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in the South all my life, I can relate to your reaction to the first description of Memorial Day, Julie. (Around here, folks in war reenactments will occasionally &quot;tweak&quot; history so that the South wins a battle they actually lost...just to &quot;keep things interesting&quot;!) 

Seriously, though, few people realize that the effects of the Civil War still linger down here - economically and culturally. I&#039;ve heard someone say that Southerners are the only Americans to descend from a generation that knows what it&#039;s like to lose a war at home, that no other American demographic has faced that kind of humiliation. (Obviously they forgot about the Native Americans...but I understand the point.)  

In some ways, I think Memorial Day is a reminder that there are no real winners in war. Everybody loses. 

...So why are we breaking out the hot dogs and slicing up the watermelon? Maybe so we don&#039;t have to think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in the South all my life, I can relate to your reaction to the first description of Memorial Day, Julie. (Around here, folks in war reenactments will occasionally &#034;tweak&#034; history so that the South wins a battle they actually lost&#8230;just to &#034;keep things interesting&#034;!) </p>
<p>Seriously, though, few people realize that the effects of the Civil War still linger down here &#8211; economically and culturally. I&#039;ve heard someone say that Southerners are the only Americans to descend from a generation that knows what it&#039;s like to lose a war at home, that no other American demographic has faced that kind of humiliation. (Obviously they forgot about the Native Americans&#8230;but I understand the point.)  </p>
<p>In some ways, I think Memorial Day is a reminder that there are no real winners in war. Everybody loses. </p>
<p>&#8230;So why are we breaking out the hot dogs and slicing up the watermelon? Maybe so we don&#039;t have to think about it.</p>
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