October 27, 2008

Fireproof Thoughts

So my response to the new Christian subculture movie Fireproof and its conception of marriage are posted over at the God’s Politics blog. Here. Enjoy.

Julie Clawson

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7 Responses to “Fireproof Thoughts”

  1. Scott M Says:
    October 27th, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Haven’t been tempted to watch the movie. Expected just about exactly what your review confirmed.

  2. Liz Says:
    October 27th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    why am I not surprised that you twisted this around to your own agenda Julie???? Did you not hear the father at the end tell his son that the situation was actually flip flopped in his own marriage? this is not about gender, this is about the fact that so often when a marriage has degenerated this far, one person wakes up and smells the coffee before the other one. And very often that other person does NOT want to work on the marriage but just wants out. The parties involved can be either gender. But when things have got this bad, both people don’t usually sit there and say “I want to save my marriage” at the same time”. It is usually up to one person to win that person back. Often the one spouse feels just about as much hatred as Catherine did in the movie. They have lost trust and just aren’t willing to invest any more in the relationship. Sometimes (as in this movie) a concerted effort on the other parties side will regain that trust. I am sure it takes two to tango. I have always said that. But someone needs to get the ball rolling, especially if the other person only wants to move on. So maybe the movie should have made sure it drove home the message that Catherine was also a grade A bitch to Caleb just to make sure we knew it wasn’t all him. Or does everything have to be spelled out??? My take away from the movie was that even if the other person has begun to move on, one person can turn things around. I took away that its easier to blame the other person (as Caleb did) than begin to look at yourself. That if YOU begin to change, it can make a HUGE difference. THEN you can get them to want to mutually work things out. I guess your head is so far up your feminist rear end that you missed these things, though.

    what’s that joke??? “How many feminists does it take to change a
    lightbulb”??? answer: “THAT’S NOT FUNNY”

    Personally I liked the movie. And I HATE cheese. I HATE the usual simplistic chick flick relationship movies Hollywood pumps out, Christian or not. I think it is a very valuable tool to get people talking who may have given up hope and think that the problem is just that they need to get away from the other person and all will be well. Is that a problem for you Julie????
    You know what I think??? I think that you and all your emergent friends think you are so much better, so much smarter than all the rest of the Christians out there. You are so prideful that it is nauseating. Anything mainstream Christians like is just food for you and your ilk to mock and judge and preen your intellectual little feathers over. I suggest you stick it where the sun don’t shine.

  3. Julie Clawson Says:
    October 27th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Are you enjoying yourself yet Liz? honestly.

  4. Liz Says:
    October 27th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    whatever. I guess it is easier for you to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is someone who just gets off picking on people than to think that maybe they could be right. Oh, and Julie: when it comes to truth: everything isn’t about a “dialogue”…sometimes you just have to stand up and put your foot down. Like I said, I wasn’t terribly surprised that you found stuff in that movie that wasn’t even there.
    However, if it makes you feel more secure in your beliefs to pretend to yourself that anyone who finds your viewpoints to be disturbing is someone that only needs to be pandered to like a bad child; feel free to continue on in that delusion.

  5. Pastor Chad Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:44 am

    thanks for this review. It is disheartening to see that evangelicals are beginning to downplay the image of God in women again.

  6. Liz Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I was wondering if this shoe happened to fit????

  7. anni Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    thanks, julie, for your review. like scott, i haven’t even considered seeing it. the usual folks are promoting it, so that’s enough for me not to see it.
    on the other hand, Call + Response was amazing. that’s a movie more christians ought to be seeing.

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