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		<title>By: Yahir</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/10/02/building-biblical-literacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>Yahir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lina</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/10/02/building-biblical-literacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3463</link>
		<dc:creator>Lina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some time ago I taught in a program called Catechesis of the Good Shepherd.  It is a gentle program based on Montessori principles that teaches Bible stories in the context of the Bible as a whole and and in connection with the liturgy of the church and the liturgical calendar.  I thought it was a wonderful program for giving children a foundation in the Word.</description>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/10/02/building-biblical-literacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3398</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kester - my main problem is with telling lies about the stories that cause confusion down the road.  Sure perhaps we don&#039;t need to explain to kids what exactly Esther&#039;s night with the king was all about, but presenting her story as a beauty pageant is not exactly truthful either...

Charlie - I too know lots of women who get a lot out of Beth Moore.  I&#039;ve done one of her studies and have read bits of others.  I have a few different reasons why I don&#039;t really like her stuff.
1. On a really basic level - I don&#039;t buy into dispensational theology nor do I read the KJV bible.  Much of her theology is rooted in that dispensational assumption and in a group setting one kinda has to go along with that.  She admits that she knows other approaches exist, but that she expects this theology to be assumed for her studies to work.  Those assumptions aren&#039;t exactly up for debate in women&#039;s small group times.  And her method of study is to do word studies in English - KJV english.  She makes theological assumptions based on these words (hey look the same english word was used in these two verses, let&#039;s connect the two...) and that really bugs me because it seems false and forced.
2.  Her approach is emotional not intellectual.  I know that that is what a lot of women want, but reading the bible just to get my feelings in order is a tad shallow in my book.  The bible isn&#039;t all about me - how I can break free or make a place in  my heart for God or face my personal Babylon...  To me that cheapens the bible.
3. She takes Bible verses way out of context.  The study I did was a study of the tabernacle as an example of how women can connect to God.  Never was it mentioned that women weren&#039;t even allowed in the tabernacle.  But I was told that since the Psalmist speaks of praying early in the morning that means that God hears our prayers the best during the early morning hours so I&#039;d better not ever sleep in.  History and cultural context of scripture was ignored in favor is feel-good self-help spirituality.  I find that nauseating.
4.  I hate fill-in-the-blank bible studies.  using one particular translation of the Bible, I fill in the one correct answer into the blank.  In my small group I share that one correct answer or get ridiculed if I try to go deeper or challenge the assumptions present.  It is mindless busy work imho not true study of the bible.

but like I said, a lot of women love it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kester &#8211; my main problem is with telling lies about the stories that cause confusion down the road.  Sure perhaps we don&#039;t need to explain to kids what exactly Esther&#039;s night with the king was all about, but presenting her story as a beauty pageant is not exactly truthful either&#8230;</p>
<p>Charlie &#8211; I too know lots of women who get a lot out of Beth Moore.  I&#039;ve done one of her studies and have read bits of others.  I have a few different reasons why I don&#039;t really like her stuff.<br />
1. On a really basic level &#8211; I don&#039;t buy into dispensational theology nor do I read the KJV bible.  Much of her theology is rooted in that dispensational assumption and in a group setting one kinda has to go along with that.  She admits that she knows other approaches exist, but that she expects this theology to be assumed for her studies to work.  Those assumptions aren&#039;t exactly up for debate in women&#039;s small group times.  And her method of study is to do word studies in English &#8211; KJV english.  She makes theological assumptions based on these words (hey look the same english word was used in these two verses, let&#039;s connect the two&#8230;) and that really bugs me because it seems false and forced.<br />
2.  Her approach is emotional not intellectual.  I know that that is what a lot of women want, but reading the bible just to get my feelings in order is a tad shallow in my book.  The bible isn&#039;t all about me &#8211; how I can break free or make a place in  my heart for God or face my personal Babylon&#8230;  To me that cheapens the bible.<br />
3. She takes Bible verses way out of context.  The study I did was a study of the tabernacle as an example of how women can connect to God.  Never was it mentioned that women weren&#039;t even allowed in the tabernacle.  But I was told that since the Psalmist speaks of praying early in the morning that means that God hears our prayers the best during the early morning hours so I&#039;d better not ever sleep in.  History and cultural context of scripture was ignored in favor is feel-good self-help spirituality.  I find that nauseating.<br />
4.  I hate fill-in-the-blank bible studies.  using one particular translation of the Bible, I fill in the one correct answer into the blank.  In my small group I share that one correct answer or get ridiculed if I try to go deeper or challenge the assumptions present.  It is mindless busy work imho not true study of the bible.</p>
<p>but like I said, a lot of women love it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Stegall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Stegall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Julie

Stumbled onto your post sorta third hand and a bit of a different take .I am from an older generation- probably your parents age group . I grew up in a fundamental background and was exposed to much of the claptrap one of your comments mentioned .However, my comment centers elsewhere. My wife is currently in a Beth Moore study along  with her younger sister and both are profiting . Just a bit curious about your view there .</description>
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<p>Stumbled onto your post sorta third hand and a bit of a different take .I am from an older generation- probably your parents age group . I grew up in a fundamental background and was exposed to much of the claptrap one of your comments mentioned .However, my comment centers elsewhere. My wife is currently in a Beth Moore study along  with her younger sister and both are profiting . Just a bit curious about your view there .</p>
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		<title>By: Kester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the expurgated versions can be ok. we do this with lots of true and meaningful stuff. if harry (my 4 year old) asks where babies come from, i tell him the truth, but not the whole truth. i don&#039;t tell him the stork brought him, but i also don&#039;t give the sort of detailed description i might give to a 12 or 13 year old learning about the mechanics of the human body. so, the story of noah shouldn&#039;t be limited to &quot;God keeps His promises&quot;, but also doesn&#039;t have to get into the detailed horror of a drowned civilization.

the exception here would be if kids ask questions themselves. i think, if a kid asks, they should be given an answer. but i&#039;m ok with reading noah and the flood as a tragic and hopeful story without having to address complexities that a 4 year old brain isn&#039;t ready for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the expurgated versions can be ok. we do this with lots of true and meaningful stuff. if harry (my 4 year old) asks where babies come from, i tell him the truth, but not the whole truth. i don&#039;t tell him the stork brought him, but i also don&#039;t give the sort of detailed description i might give to a 12 or 13 year old learning about the mechanics of the human body. so, the story of noah shouldn&#039;t be limited to &#034;God keeps His promises&#034;, but also doesn&#039;t have to get into the detailed horror of a drowned civilization.</p>
<p>the exception here would be if kids ask questions themselves. i think, if a kid asks, they should be given an answer. but i&#039;m ok with reading noah and the flood as a tragic and hopeful story without having to address complexities that a 4 year old brain isn&#039;t ready for.</p>
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		<title>By: real live preacher</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/10/02/building-biblical-literacy/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>real live preacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no solution to this. So many of the people who are passionate about teaching kids do this to the stories. I got the stories that way, then read the true versions later. Like finding the unexpurgated Grimm&#039;s fairy tales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no solution to this. So many of the people who are passionate about teaching kids do this to the stories. I got the stories that way, then read the true versions later. Like finding the unexpurgated Grimm&#039;s fairy tales.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelvin Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelvin Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie you gave my morning a lift just by asking this question, and, from my perspective, seeming to be heading in the right direction despite your misgivings. I&#039;ve had years of trying to find children&#039;s teaching material that isn&#039;t either warmed over milk sop social studies on the one hand or fundamentalist claptrap on the other. 
I think we have lost our perspective on stories; we&#039;ve all got too hung up on meaning. We are forever using the stories of scripture merely as illustrations of some moral point or other - a moral point that is as often as not cultural or contextual in origin.  Whoever thinks to ask after hearing The Three Little pigs or watching Star Wars &quot;Yes but what is the moral?&quot;  Stories instruct us at a far deeper level than mere intellect. They move us and change us in ways that mere proposition never could. Time enough in adulthood to be bothered about all that two dimensional stuff. In childhood we need to learn the stories: without editing, without bowdlerising and certainly without moralising.
We have a scripture that is essentially narrative. We serve a God who revealed God&#039;s nature to us in a human life - ie as a story. Why reduce it to trite little maxims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie you gave my morning a lift just by asking this question, and, from my perspective, seeming to be heading in the right direction despite your misgivings. I&#039;ve had years of trying to find children&#039;s teaching material that isn&#039;t either warmed over milk sop social studies on the one hand or fundamentalist claptrap on the other.<br />
I think we have lost our perspective on stories; we&#039;ve all got too hung up on meaning. We are forever using the stories of scripture merely as illustrations of some moral point or other &#8211; a moral point that is as often as not cultural or contextual in origin.  Whoever thinks to ask after hearing The Three Little pigs or watching Star Wars &#034;Yes but what is the moral?&#034;  Stories instruct us at a far deeper level than mere intellect. They move us and change us in ways that mere proposition never could. Time enough in adulthood to be bothered about all that two dimensional stuff. In childhood we need to learn the stories: without editing, without bowdlerising and certainly without moralising.<br />
We have a scripture that is essentially narrative. We serve a God who revealed God&#039;s nature to us in a human life &#8211; ie as a story. Why reduce it to trite little maxims?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, I think I teach out of that same curriculum for kids. Actually, I think the lesson for Noah story was &quot;God keeps his promises.&quot; But, it was hard for me when the kids were asking about Katrina (we have a lot of families that moved to Atlanta from New Orleans). God said he would never flood the earth again, right? So, I try to center on the good but it&#039;s hard for kids because Bible stories are complex, and understanding the cross is imperative to understanding how God loves us and how God loves us is imperative to understanding why bad things happen and the list goes on and on. Thanks for writing this, your blogs are beautiful. I have fallen in love with your site in the nine minutes since I found it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, I think I teach out of that same curriculum for kids. Actually, I think the lesson for Noah story was &#034;God keeps his promises.&#034; But, it was hard for me when the kids were asking about Katrina (we have a lot of families that moved to Atlanta from New Orleans). God said he would never flood the earth again, right? So, I try to center on the good but it&#039;s hard for kids because Bible stories are complex, and understanding the cross is imperative to understanding how God loves us and how God loves us is imperative to understanding why bad things happen and the list goes on and on. Thanks for writing this, your blogs are beautiful. I have fallen in love with your site in the nine minutes since I found it. <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to echo the other commenters&#039; recomendation of the Jesus Storybook Bible.  I love that it teaches the Bible as a story, not lessons.  I love that it calls out Jesus in the story.  I like that the artwork is funky and fresh.

But MOST of all, I like that the characters are NOT all WHITE!  Jesus has brown skin; his hair is dissheveled.  Thank God for good artwork.

My daughter, who&#039;s fully in a Disney Princess mode now, spent a few weeks in a row requesting the story of Rachel and Leah, and we had some very fruitful discussions about the nature of God&#039;s love and of beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d like to echo the other commenters&#039; recomendation of the Jesus Storybook Bible.  I love that it teaches the Bible as a story, not lessons.  I love that it calls out Jesus in the story.  I like that the artwork is funky and fresh.</p>
<p>But MOST of all, I like that the characters are NOT all WHITE!  Jesus has brown skin; his hair is dissheveled.  Thank God for good artwork.</p>
<p>My daughter, who&#039;s fully in a Disney Princess mode now, spent a few weeks in a row requesting the story of Rachel and Leah, and we had some very fruitful discussions about the nature of God&#039;s love and of beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might seem like a tall order, but if you can, try to get your family to Israel at some point. (we were saving up for years!) We were there this past year with our teenagers and I can’t begin to tell you the amazing affect it had on all of us actually being where those stories took place.   Walking the streets of Jerusalem, stubbing our toes on the uneven cobblestoned roads, discussing over hummus how much smaller the Sea of Galilee was then we imagined it.  Being at Golgotha.   Looking out over the eerie stretch of desert where the Israelites wandered.   Comparing and contrasting Israel’s history with what was going on in the rest of the world at the time.  These were real people in a real place.  There is much to be said for being biblically literate, to have the “head” knowledge, but so much more personal to smell, see, touch, and taste the stories into our imaginations.   The value of pilgrimage is priceless.   L’Chaim!    (appreciate your posts--had to laugh at your comment re: Beth Moore...me too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might seem like a tall order, but if you can, try to get your family to Israel at some point. (we were saving up for years!) We were there this past year with our teenagers and I can’t begin to tell you the amazing affect it had on all of us actually being where those stories took place.   Walking the streets of Jerusalem, stubbing our toes on the uneven cobblestoned roads, discussing over hummus how much smaller the Sea of Galilee was then we imagined it.  Being at Golgotha.   Looking out over the eerie stretch of desert where the Israelites wandered.   Comparing and contrasting Israel’s history with what was going on in the rest of the world at the time.  These were real people in a real place.  There is much to be said for being biblically literate, to have the “head” knowledge, but so much more personal to smell, see, touch, and taste the stories into our imaginations.   The value of pilgrimage is priceless.   L’Chaim!    (appreciate your posts&#8211;had to laugh at your comment re: Beth Moore&#8230;me too)</p>
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