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	<title>Comments on: Book Review &#8211; Jesus Made in America</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,I would question whether your comments on evangelicals betrays a self-satisfaction with your own ideas as opposed to fully engaging the breadth of publications that come out of publishing houses such as IVP etc.  I&#039;m not a fan of Calvinism and there is plenty of books that satisfy the theological appetite that don&#039;t masquerade as something other than they state.  As far as your reference to Janelle Hallman, I suggest you read her book.  There is substantive evidence to show that common views on homosexuality are largely wishful think rather than based on pure science.  The studies done even by gay affirmative therapists reveal signicant contributions from upbringing and basic early childhood development in formation of sexual identity.  I would recommend reading the book before casting dispersions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,I would question whether your comments on evangelicals betrays a self-satisfaction with your own ideas as opposed to fully engaging the breadth of publications that come out of publishing houses such as IVP etc.  I&#039;m not a fan of Calvinism and there is plenty of books that satisfy the theological appetite that don&#039;t masquerade as something other than they state.  As far as your reference to Janelle Hallman, I suggest you read her book.  There is substantive evidence to show that common views on homosexuality are largely wishful think rather than based on pure science.  The studies done even by gay affirmative therapists reveal signicant contributions from upbringing and basic early childhood development in formation of sexual identity.  I would recommend reading the book before casting dispersions.</p>
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		<title>By: Which matters more: practice or doctrine? &#171; WilderVoice</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/05/29/book-review-jesus-made-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2935</link>
		<dc:creator>Which matters more: practice or doctrine? &#171; WilderVoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3, 2008 by nonesoblind    Julie Clawson offers an interesting review of a book by Stephen J. Nichols. In particular, I would like to pick up on this paragraph: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Which matters more: practice or doctrine? &#171; WilderVoice</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/05/29/book-review-jesus-made-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>Which matters more: practice or doctrine? &#171; WilderVoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2, 2008 by nonesoblind    Julie Clawson offers an interesting review of a book by Stephen J. Nichols. In particular, I would like to pick up on this paragraph: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all,

The first Andrew commenter (me) was, as it should have been obvious, not the second commenter with the same name--a person who has a problem with postmodern critique and obviously is showing his conservative allegiances.

While my comment about IVP may have been a bit harsh, let&#039;s look at the facts. A whole slew of commentaries about to be published by John Stott. A dictionary of the Old Testament about to be published by (the now notorious) Peter Enns. A book on female sexuality by Janelle Hallman that absurdly labels lesbianism a &quot;destructive relational pattern.&quot; The widely-known &quot;Knowing God&quot; by the uber-fundamentalist Calvinist J.I. Packer. 

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Granted, IVP may not be strictly &quot;Calvinist,&quot; but they are incredibly friendly (especially in their more academic publications) to its doctrines and the people who vouch for their theological authenticity. Regardless of this, though, their books are, at best, conservative evangelical drivel--whether you want to characterize them as Calvinist or Arminian or &quot;open theist&quot; (which is nothing but a sad attempt at trying to think outside the evangelical box that can&#039;t do so, because if it did, it would be the more philosophically oriented &quot;process theology&quot; of John Cobb and philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead).

I realize I&#039;m being a bit bold in some of my characterizations, for sure. But I don&#039;t think they&#039;re that far off the mark. I have no reason to read evangelical works anymore (especially conservative ones like IVP and Crossway publish) because they are full of ideas that are (to everyone except evangelicals) uninformed and theologically and philosophically bereft of valuable content (i.e., supporting ludicrous &quot;doctrines&quot; like inerrancy or infallibility).

That&#039;s what I meant by what I said earlier. Again, I respect the right of you (Julie) to publish with IVP. But personally, if I was presented with the opportunity to do so (which, because of my theology, I most assuredly would not), I would have a hard time writing for people I would disagree with so strongly. My principles would get in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all,</p>
<p>The first Andrew commenter (me) was, as it should have been obvious, not the second commenter with the same name&#8211;a person who has a problem with postmodern critique and obviously is showing his conservative allegiances.</p>
<p>While my comment about IVP may have been a bit harsh, let&#039;s look at the facts. A whole slew of commentaries about to be published by John Stott. A dictionary of the Old Testament about to be published by (the now notorious) Peter Enns. A book on female sexuality by Janelle Hallman that absurdly labels lesbianism a &#034;destructive relational pattern.&#034; The widely-known &#034;Knowing God&#034; by the uber-fundamentalist Calvinist J.I. Packer. </p>
<p>This is just the tip of the iceberg. Granted, IVP may not be strictly &#034;Calvinist,&#034; but they are incredibly friendly (especially in their more academic publications) to its doctrines and the people who vouch for their theological authenticity. Regardless of this, though, their books are, at best, conservative evangelical drivel&#8211;whether you want to characterize them as Calvinist or Arminian or &#034;open theist&#034; (which is nothing but a sad attempt at trying to think outside the evangelical box that can&#039;t do so, because if it did, it would be the more philosophically oriented &#034;process theology&#034; of John Cobb and philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead).</p>
<p>I realize I&#039;m being a bit bold in some of my characterizations, for sure. But I don&#039;t think they&#039;re that far off the mark. I have no reason to read evangelical works anymore (especially conservative ones like IVP and Crossway publish) because they are full of ideas that are (to everyone except evangelicals) uninformed and theologically and philosophically bereft of valuable content (i.e., supporting ludicrous &#034;doctrines&#034; like inerrancy or infallibility).</p>
<p>That&#039;s what I meant by what I said earlier. Again, I respect the right of you (Julie) to publish with IVP. But personally, if I was presented with the opportunity to do so (which, because of my theology, I most assuredly would not), I would have a hard time writing for people I would disagree with so strongly. My principles would get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Char - but of course

ad - I choose to give my everything to following God with my entire heart and being.  That includes being a good mom, but not making an idol of it as so many in the church seem to insist I must do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Char &#8211; but of course</p>
<p>ad &#8211; I choose to give my everything to following God with my entire heart and being.  That includes being a good mom, but not making an idol of it as so many in the church seem to insist I must do.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>galatians

oh and by the way?  i think  your family is lovely and encourage you to give everything up to mother with your entire heart and being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>galatians</p>
<p>oh and by the way?  i think  your family is lovely and encourage you to give everything up to mother with your entire heart and being.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/05/29/book-review-jesus-made-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;IVP is in a Calvinist box? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

yeah, I was wondering about that accusation too. One of the things I&#039;ve always appreciated about IVP is their willingness to publish books presenting multiple viewpoints (albeit within the evangelical sphere). I&#039;ve not noticed any excessively Calvinist bent from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>IVP is in a Calvinist box? </p></blockquote>
<p>yeah, I was wondering about that accusation too. One of the things I&#039;ve always appreciated about IVP is their willingness to publish books presenting multiple viewpoints (albeit within the evangelical sphere). I&#039;ve not noticed any excessively Calvinist bent from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IVP is in a Calvinist box? Hasn&#039;t IVP published  a number of books in support of open theism - including the Pinnock book that launched the whole debate in evangelical circles? I&#039;m closely associated with IVP, so I won&#039;t say too much here, but I do feel an unfair accusation has been made. As a press they seek to publish books that represent a variety of perspectives on the major issues within evangelicalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IVP is in a Calvinist box? Hasn&#039;t IVP published  a number of books in support of open theism &#8211; including the Pinnock book that launched the whole debate in evangelical circles? I&#039;m closely associated with IVP, so I won&#039;t say too much here, but I do feel an unfair accusation has been made. As a press they seek to publish books that represent a variety of perspectives on the major issues within evangelicalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Wyncoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Wyncoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie,
Can I borrow it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,<br />
Can I borrow it?</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/05/29/book-review-jesus-made-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-2920</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew - 

First, thanks for expressing your thoughts on the sorts of books you read.  Since I am currently writing a book with IVP, I would obviously disagree with your assessment of them.

I would never claim either to offer a christology that is beyond critique.  As for how I write my book reviews...  I generally am very positive about the books I review.  But the last couple have been more critical.  I find reviews that just summarize the book rather boring and would rather not write them.  So given that this is my personal blog, I give my personal thoughts on the books I read.  I disagreed with this book and I gave my reasons why.  Sure a book can work within its given thesis, but if I think a thesis is flawed then its hard to honestly comment on the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew &#8211; </p>
<p>First, thanks for expressing your thoughts on the sorts of books you read.  Since I am currently writing a book with IVP, I would obviously disagree with your assessment of them.</p>
<p>I would never claim either to offer a christology that is beyond critique.  As for how I write my book reviews&#8230;  I generally am very positive about the books I review.  But the last couple have been more critical.  I find reviews that just summarize the book rather boring and would rather not write them.  So given that this is my personal blog, I give my personal thoughts on the books I read.  I disagreed with this book and I gave my reasons why.  Sure a book can work within its given thesis, but if I think a thesis is flawed then its hard to honestly comment on the book.</p>
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