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	<title>Comments on: The Roots of Social Change</title>
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		<title>By: Lori Wilson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/03/10/the-roots-of-social-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kester Brewin&#039;s &quot;Signs of Emergence&quot; speaks of change in evolutionary terms, and offers a compelling argument for incremental change.  While he&#039;s speaking mostly of change in our approach to faith and faith communities, much of what he has to say applies to social change, as well.  While some change does happen in response to catastrophes or dramatic events, Brewin also points out, &quot;...it is abundantly clear that materially, politically, psychologically, and spiritually, violent change tends to shear, to break the whole as one surface part moves and leaves the rest of the body behind unaltered.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kester Brewin&#039;s &#034;Signs of Emergence&#034; speaks of change in evolutionary terms, and offers a compelling argument for incremental change.  While he&#039;s speaking mostly of change in our approach to faith and faith communities, much of what he has to say applies to social change, as well.  While some change does happen in response to catastrophes or dramatic events, Brewin also points out, &#034;&#8230;it is abundantly clear that materially, politically, psychologically, and spiritually, violent change tends to shear, to break the whole as one surface part moves and leaves the rest of the body behind unaltered.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie--

Thanks for this. I think you&#039;re right that our unexamined underpinnings often lead us in destructive directions. Now many folks will say that it&#039;s too late, or that nothing can be done. But on Easter, I&#039;m leaning in the direction of hope.

Blessings--

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for this. I think you&#039;re right that our unexamined underpinnings often lead us in destructive directions. Now many folks will say that it&#039;s too late, or that nothing can be done. But on Easter, I&#039;m leaning in the direction of hope.</p>
<p>Blessings&#8211;</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Mikeoles3</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/03/10/the-roots-of-social-change/comment-page-1/#comment-2432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikeoles3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what Martin Luther King had to say about this-- &quot;the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice.&quot;  

it is also interesting that you mention the &quot;shock and awe&quot; theory of social change.  naomi klein&#039;s relatively new book THE SHOCK DOCTORINE talks about this--but in ways that are quite scary (the use of disasters--like Katrina, the tsunami, the war in Iraq, to destroy the social fabric--and replace with corporate capitalism.)

ultimately in a world so large with such comlex problems perhaps it is Jesus who said it best with all of his talk about the Kingdom of God.  We don&#039;t have to wait, the better world is already here.  we just have to build it through our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what Martin Luther King had to say about this&#8211; &#034;the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice.&#034;  </p>
<p>it is also interesting that you mention the &#034;shock and awe&#034; theory of social change.  naomi klein&#039;s relatively new book THE SHOCK DOCTORINE talks about this&#8211;but in ways that are quite scary (the use of disasters&#8211;like Katrina, the tsunami, the war in Iraq, to destroy the social fabric&#8211;and replace with corporate capitalism.)</p>
<p>ultimately in a world so large with such comlex problems perhaps it is Jesus who said it best with all of his talk about the Kingdom of God.  We don&#039;t have to wait, the better world is already here.  we just have to build it through our community.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ericka - I fully agree.  I think so many of us are used to the dramatic events that we see them as necessary.  Perhaps sometimes to end injustices they may be (more benefit than damage done), but slow steady change would seem to reduce damages the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ericka &#8211; I fully agree.  I think so many of us are used to the dramatic events that we see them as necessary.  Perhaps sometimes to end injustices they may be (more benefit than damage done), but slow steady change would seem to reduce damages the most.</p>
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		<title>By: Ericka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ericka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie - this is a great post!  You cover a lot of issues, but I&#039;m just going to comment on one: the issue of sudden, dramatic events needed to evoke change.

I don&#039;t disagree that it&#039;s the past 100 years of incremental change that have gotten us to where we are.  Nor do I disagree that a sudden, dramatic change could spur people to action.  I do, however, disaree that a suddent, dramatic - even violent - change is necessary.  I&#039;ve been reading a book by Steven Kelman called &quot;Organizational Change.&quot;  The book is a case study of something totally unrelated (procurement policy in the USA), but directly addresses the issue of whether sudden change / &quot;shock and awe&quot; is better able to create, sustain and consolidate organizational chnage.  Kelman ends up NOT being in favour of shock and awe because of the damage it can do to relationships, to structures, etc.  Instead he&#039;s in favour of the slow and steady approach, in which a &quot;change vanguard&quot; (and a few leaders) slowly gains recruits until change is accomplished.  
Now that&#039;s a vision of change we can all buy into, eh?  What I like so much about it, is that it means that your actions - and the actions of every other - to change shopping habits, etc. MATTER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie &#8211; this is a great post!  You cover a lot of issues, but I&#039;m just going to comment on one: the issue of sudden, dramatic events needed to evoke change.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t disagree that it&#039;s the past 100 years of incremental change that have gotten us to where we are.  Nor do I disagree that a sudden, dramatic change could spur people to action.  I do, however, disaree that a suddent, dramatic &#8211; even violent &#8211; change is necessary.  I&#039;ve been reading a book by Steven Kelman called &#034;Organizational Change.&#034;  The book is a case study of something totally unrelated (procurement policy in the USA), but directly addresses the issue of whether sudden change / &#034;shock and awe&#034; is better able to create, sustain and consolidate organizational chnage.  Kelman ends up NOT being in favour of shock and awe because of the damage it can do to relationships, to structures, etc.  Instead he&#039;s in favour of the slow and steady approach, in which a &#034;change vanguard&#034; (and a few leaders) slowly gains recruits until change is accomplished.<br />
Now that&#039;s a vision of change we can all buy into, eh?  What I like so much about it, is that it means that your actions &#8211; and the actions of every other &#8211; to change shopping habits, etc. MATTER.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, I agree the US uses an insane amount of the worlds resources in comparison to our size  No arguments there, and we need to do better.  I also agree that it&#039;s better to mostly focus on getting our own house in order before pointing the finger at others.  But I don&#039;t agree that &quot;no country will ever destroy the environment like the US.&quot;  The environmental devastation wreaked by the USSR and its total ignoring of all such concerns, for example dumping raw nuclear waste in the ocean, and the industrial waste disposal practices in China (with far more people and land mass than the US) that have led to environmental crises of monumental proportions in that country - demonstrate that it&#039;s a human and global problem, not a &quot;the USA is so terrible&quot; problem.

Good points in #&#039;s 8 and 9 above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I agree the US uses an insane amount of the worlds resources in comparison to our size  No arguments there, and we need to do better.  I also agree that it&#039;s better to mostly focus on getting our own house in order before pointing the finger at others.  But I don&#039;t agree that &#034;no country will ever destroy the environment like the US.&#034;  The environmental devastation wreaked by the USSR and its total ignoring of all such concerns, for example dumping raw nuclear waste in the ocean, and the industrial waste disposal practices in China (with far more people and land mass than the US) that have led to environmental crises of monumental proportions in that country &#8211; demonstrate that it&#039;s a human and global problem, not a &#034;the USA is so terrible&#034; problem.</p>
<p>Good points in #&#039;s 8 and 9 above.</p>
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		<title>By: Nitika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nitika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question is - how can we be agents of this sort of change?

How about widening out the reason for wanting change to &#039;improved quality of life&#039;?  Not everyone thinks it is evil for corporations to make a profit or to market their products.  Not everyone believes it is wrong to use, or even use up natural resources.  But just about everyone world wide would rather have fewer respiratory problems, have more clean water, have more money available, and work less.  All those things can happen through conservation efforts.  If you want lots of people from all kinds of backgrounds and belief systems to conserve, present it as a way to make their lives better.  If you want a &quot;holy&quot; few who are willing to put their convenience on the alter in front of mother earth, present conservation as a &quot;sacrifice&quot; we SHOULD be willing to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question is &#8211; how can we be agents of this sort of change?</p>
<p>How about widening out the reason for wanting change to &#039;improved quality of life&#039;?  Not everyone thinks it is evil for corporations to make a profit or to market their products.  Not everyone believes it is wrong to use, or even use up natural resources.  But just about everyone world wide would rather have fewer respiratory problems, have more clean water, have more money available, and work less.  All those things can happen through conservation efforts.  If you want lots of people from all kinds of backgrounds and belief systems to conserve, present it as a way to make their lives better.  If you want a &#034;holy&#034; few who are willing to put their convenience on the alter in front of mother earth, present conservation as a &#034;sacrifice&#034; we SHOULD be willing to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Minstrel Ayreon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minstrel Ayreon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one who&#039;s bugged by this, but one thing that blows my mind is how much of our lifestyle is subsidized by feeding the corrupt Chinese regime.  They have a HORRIBLE human rights record, yet because we want cheap, disposable consumer goods in mass quantities, we&#039;ve made ourselves subservient to a government that kills and tortures people of religion as well as political dissenters.

I do not agree that the U.S. is automatically the country to be blamed for wreaking environmental havoc, although we have done our share for sure.  We DO waste a lot.  But I also think we have made progress in how we handle our waste which, when compared with the practices of other countries, suggests that they ought to look to themselves instead of pointing fingers and doing nothing.  We should ALL--and I include the U.S., AND every other country--clean up our own backyards before pointing the finger at anybody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one who&#039;s bugged by this, but one thing that blows my mind is how much of our lifestyle is subsidized by feeding the corrupt Chinese regime.  They have a HORRIBLE human rights record, yet because we want cheap, disposable consumer goods in mass quantities, we&#039;ve made ourselves subservient to a government that kills and tortures people of religion as well as political dissenters.</p>
<p>I do not agree that the U.S. is automatically the country to be blamed for wreaking environmental havoc, although we have done our share for sure.  We DO waste a lot.  But I also think we have made progress in how we handle our waste which, when compared with the practices of other countries, suggests that they ought to look to themselves instead of pointing fingers and doing nothing.  We should ALL&#8211;and I include the U.S., AND every other country&#8211;clean up our own backyards before pointing the finger at anybody else.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl - of I don&#039;t deny that other countries are making an impact, just that the US uses an insane amount of the worlds resources in comparison to our size...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl &#8211; of I don&#039;t deny that other countries are making an impact, just that the US uses an insane amount of the worlds resources in comparison to our size&#8230;</p>
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