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		<title>By: Bob Schubring</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/23/embracing-deconstruction/comment-page-1/#comment-10958</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schubring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to get the dust off everyone&#039;s philosophy texts:  A &lt;i&gt;posit&lt;/i&gt;ive action, is an action to maintain the universe in it&#039;s present &lt;i&gt;posit&lt;/i&gt;ion.  That is, Positivism argues that what is, ought be maintained, simply because it is.  Thus, &quot;positive change&quot; is an impossibility because to defend what is, means to defy change.

The word that needs dusting off is &lt;i&gt;normative&lt;/i&gt;.  Normativism holds that things should be as they ought, and that anything not as it ought to be, must be changed.

We run into both philosophies in trying to read theology.  When it suits the wants of the writer to advocate a change of some sort, we hear normative arguments.   When the writer is defending the status quo, we hear positive arguments.  Adding to the confusion, the reactionary who intends to confuse people, will misuse the term &quot;positive&quot; to imply that he seeks the opposite of negative, when in fact, he seeks the opposite of change.

Adam&#039;s curse being, of course, the capacity to hurl criticism and judgments about, with imperfect knowledge of the underlying facts.  The criticisms aren&#039;t particularly troubling, because with enough thought they can be understood as valid and taken, or refuted as invalid and ignored. 

When the judgments turn into an excuse to force people to do things they&#039;d rather not, we hit the slippery slope into totalitarian politics and cultlike beliefs.  And, since totalitarian political systems and cultlike beliefs refuse any self-examination whatsoever, the safest way off that slippery slope is to use force as little as possible, preferably not at all.  I&#039;ve yet to see any Amish pacifists shoot each other over a theological dispute...but then, the Amish make a particular effort not to use force and have been at peace amongst themselves since their founder, Jan Hus, was burnt at the stake in the 1400&#039;s for preaching that war is sinful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to get the dust off everyone&#039;s philosophy texts:  A <i>posit</i>ive action, is an action to maintain the universe in it&#039;s present <i>posit</i>ion.  That is, Positivism argues that what is, ought be maintained, simply because it is.  Thus, &#034;positive change&#034; is an impossibility because to defend what is, means to defy change.</p>
<p>The word that needs dusting off is <i>normative</i>.  Normativism holds that things should be as they ought, and that anything not as it ought to be, must be changed.</p>
<p>We run into both philosophies in trying to read theology.  When it suits the wants of the writer to advocate a change of some sort, we hear normative arguments.   When the writer is defending the status quo, we hear positive arguments.  Adding to the confusion, the reactionary who intends to confuse people, will misuse the term &#034;positive&#034; to imply that he seeks the opposite of negative, when in fact, he seeks the opposite of change.</p>
<p>Adam&#039;s curse being, of course, the capacity to hurl criticism and judgments about, with imperfect knowledge of the underlying facts.  The criticisms aren&#039;t particularly troubling, because with enough thought they can be understood as valid and taken, or refuted as invalid and ignored. </p>
<p>When the judgments turn into an excuse to force people to do things they&#039;d rather not, we hit the slippery slope into totalitarian politics and cultlike beliefs.  And, since totalitarian political systems and cultlike beliefs refuse any self-examination whatsoever, the safest way off that slippery slope is to use force as little as possible, preferably not at all.  I&#039;ve yet to see any Amish pacifists shoot each other over a theological dispute&#8230;but then, the Amish make a particular effort not to use force and have been at peace amongst themselves since their founder, Jan Hus, was burnt at the stake in the 1400&#039;s for preaching that war is sinful.</p>
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		<title>By: Suraj Mukhi</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/23/embracing-deconstruction/comment-page-1/#comment-10953</link>
		<dc:creator>Suraj Mukhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deconstruction is an unnatural process. The sort of thinking which is fragmented and likes to separate one thing from another can only end in a series of meaningless contradictions. Wouldn&#039;t it be better to make and join together instead of breaking beautiful forms to display the ugliness inherent in the emptiness that lies in-side. Critics are the most uncreative of people on earth and I know I am being one right now but what can I do? We are living in critical times where the best exists alongside of the worst. Hard work, honesty and ethical and moral beauty are worth much more than just seeking justice or shouting out from the rooftops just so your puny voice can be heard. Maybe selflessness and a healthy dose of humility and magnanimity are more important than the fight for rights or the me-first greed of the me-generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deconstruction is an unnatural process. The sort of thinking which is fragmented and likes to separate one thing from another can only end in a series of meaningless contradictions. Wouldn&#039;t it be better to make and join together instead of breaking beautiful forms to display the ugliness inherent in the emptiness that lies in-side. Critics are the most uncreative of people on earth and I know I am being one right now but what can I do? We are living in critical times where the best exists alongside of the worst. Hard work, honesty and ethical and moral beauty are worth much more than just seeking justice or shouting out from the rooftops just so your puny voice can be heard. Maybe selflessness and a healthy dose of humility and magnanimity are more important than the fight for rights or the me-first greed of the me-generation.</p>
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		<title>By: gabe</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/23/embracing-deconstruction/comment-page-1/#comment-5911</link>
		<dc:creator>gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/23/embracing-deconstruction/comment-page-1/#comment-1984</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the cycle of deconstruction and reconstruction repeated...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the cycle of deconstruction and reconstruction repeated&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/23/embracing-deconstruction/comment-page-1/#comment-1967</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, I think you are right.  I think in my own journey, after the deconsruction, I sifted through the ashes so to speak.  What was good and right I kept, and what was not I didn&#039;t.  The process was as important as the the outcome! 

Michael, good points!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I think you are right.  I think in my own journey, after the deconsruction, I sifted through the ashes so to speak.  What was good and right I kept, and what was not I didn&#039;t.  The process was as important as the the outcome! </p>
<p>Michael, good points!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Michael.  Your comment about our tendency to lock onto one aspect of things (covenant, kingdom, liberation) and lose sight of other themes is great.  

As for our being culture bound, your comment reminded me of this quote from C.S. Lewis:

&quot;Most of all, perhaps, what we need is an intimate knowledge of the past. Not that the past has any magic about it, but because we cannot study the future, and yet need something to set against the present, to remind us that the basic assumptions have been quite different in different periods and that much which seems certain to the uneducated is merely temporary fashion. A man who has lived in many places is not likely to be deceived by the local errors of his native village: the scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone of his own age.&quot;

Many Modern Christians made the error of not learning enough from the voices of the past and adopting too uncritically the themes of Modernity.  Hopefully Postmodern Christians won&#039;t make the same mistake by too-uncritically adopting Postmodernity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Michael.  Your comment about our tendency to lock onto one aspect of things (covenant, kingdom, liberation) and lose sight of other themes is great.  </p>
<p>As for our being culture bound, your comment reminded me of this quote from C.S. Lewis:</p>
<p>&#034;Most of all, perhaps, what we need is an intimate knowledge of the past. Not that the past has any magic about it, but because we cannot study the future, and yet need something to set against the present, to remind us that the basic assumptions have been quite different in different periods and that much which seems certain to the uneducated is merely temporary fashion. A man who has lived in many places is not likely to be deceived by the local errors of his native village: the scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone of his own age.&#034;</p>
<p>Many Modern Christians made the error of not learning enough from the voices of the past and adopting too uncritically the themes of Modernity.  Hopefully Postmodern Christians won&#039;t make the same mistake by too-uncritically adopting Postmodernity.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent thoughts on deconstruction.  Too often it is confused with &quot;destruction.&quot;  Thus, many shy away from it not wanting to be theological warmongers.  Others jump into the fray for just that reason.

We certainly have a tendency to lock on to one aspect of things.  Theologically, we lock into a canon within the canon or a theme (covenant, kingdom, liberation) and then lose sight of other themes or passages in the canon.

We are inevitably culture-bound.  This means that we dress ourselves, our thinking, and our institutions in the clothes of that culture.  But culture is not static, the world is ever-changing and so is culture.  Without a healthy deconstruction process, we simply leave those clothes on and add accessories from the emerging culture, or worse, we add a layer of clothes on top of the clothes we already have on.  Deconstruction is exigent to the contextualization process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent thoughts on deconstruction.  Too often it is confused with &#034;destruction.&#034;  Thus, many shy away from it not wanting to be theological warmongers.  Others jump into the fray for just that reason.</p>
<p>We certainly have a tendency to lock on to one aspect of things.  Theologically, we lock into a canon within the canon or a theme (covenant, kingdom, liberation) and then lose sight of other themes or passages in the canon.</p>
<p>We are inevitably culture-bound.  This means that we dress ourselves, our thinking, and our institutions in the clothes of that culture.  But culture is not static, the world is ever-changing and so is culture.  Without a healthy deconstruction process, we simply leave those clothes on and add accessories from the emerging culture, or worse, we add a layer of clothes on top of the clothes we already have on.  Deconstruction is exigent to the contextualization process.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many people who call what they are doing deconstruction are really doing it to gain better understanding so they can preserve what was good of the old, tear down what is wrong, and build something better in the ruins, vs. how many are doing it as you say, just as a way to complain (perhaps with good reason) about what they don&#039;t like, with no real movement forward. 

Even among college educated 20 and 30-somethings who have taken a few courses in postmodern literary criticism or philosophy, I rarely see the type of deconstruction that you are describing.  Much of their &quot;deconstruction&quot; seems more like a cynical debunking of what they grew up with rather than a love-driven search for better understanding.  It&#039;s often even accompanied by a belief that &quot;better understanding&quot; is an illusory concept based on outdated notions of objectivity. The result can be a stance of perpetual ironic detachment toward anything that would claim my love or loyalty, unless I am already subjectively inclined in that direction.

I think postmodernism and deconstruction offer some helpful correctives to modernity.  Church people who run in fear from the least hint of them need to get a grip, humble themselves and learn.  But an uncritical embrace of postmodern deconstructivism is no better in my mind than an uncritical embrace of modernity and all of its assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many people who call what they are doing deconstruction are really doing it to gain better understanding so they can preserve what was good of the old, tear down what is wrong, and build something better in the ruins, vs. how many are doing it as you say, just as a way to complain (perhaps with good reason) about what they don&#039;t like, with no real movement forward. </p>
<p>Even among college educated 20 and 30-somethings who have taken a few courses in postmodern literary criticism or philosophy, I rarely see the type of deconstruction that you are describing.  Much of their &#034;deconstruction&#034; seems more like a cynical debunking of what they grew up with rather than a love-driven search for better understanding.  It&#039;s often even accompanied by a belief that &#034;better understanding&#034; is an illusory concept based on outdated notions of objectivity. The result can be a stance of perpetual ironic detachment toward anything that would claim my love or loyalty, unless I am already subjectively inclined in that direction.</p>
<p>I think postmodernism and deconstruction offer some helpful correctives to modernity.  Church people who run in fear from the least hint of them need to get a grip, humble themselves and learn.  But an uncritical embrace of postmodern deconstructivism is no better in my mind than an uncritical embrace of modernity and all of its assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori - I think many of those who remain in anger aren&#039;t engaging in deconstruction to seek better understanding, they are just complaining about what they don&#039;t like and making it sound better by calling it deconstruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori &#8211; I think many of those who remain in anger aren&#039;t engaging in deconstruction to seek better understanding, they are just complaining about what they don&#039;t like and making it sound better by calling it deconstruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deconstruction is definitely an important part of the process, however I&#039;ve met some who can&#039;t move beyond the deconstution.  Then you tend to just have people who are angry at the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deconstruction is definitely an important part of the process, however I&#039;ve met some who can&#039;t move beyond the deconstution.  Then you tend to just have people who are angry at the church.</p>
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