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		<title>By: Links: Diapers, Adventures, Politics, Whores, and Business at Trying to follow</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/14/gender-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1960</link>
		<dc:creator>Links: Diapers, Adventures, Politics, Whores, and Business at Trying to follow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/14/gender-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1916</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, I see a difference between helping remove barriers for equally qualified candidates, vs. choosing a less qualified candidate due to his or her race or gender.  The removal of barriers is much needed.  But it isn&#039;t the same as affirmative action.  Even though equity is not a reality yet (for women or minorities), I don&#039;t think putting a less qualified candidate in office (or in an office or classroom) due solely to the goal of diversity, is the way to true equity.  It sounds like we agree.  

In law school, I had several conversations with woman and minority classmates about these issues, along with studying the supreme court cases on affirmative action.  Most strikingly though, I observed the different standards applied to minorities (and women, though to a much lesser extent) when it came to admissions, and in the job search process.  I tend to agree with the late Arthur Ashe, who felt that giving a minority a job or grad school admission, when a white candidate with the same qualifications would have no chance at that job or school admission, was actually demeaning to the minority person and counterproductive to the ultimate goal of a society &quot;where &#039;because she’s a woman (or minority)&#039; doesn’t have to be a factor either way.&quot;  Good for you, for voting for Obama over Clinton because the candidate&#039;s qualifications and stance on issues are more important to you than his or her gender or skin color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I see a difference between helping remove barriers for equally qualified candidates, vs. choosing a less qualified candidate due to his or her race or gender.  The removal of barriers is much needed.  But it isn&#039;t the same as affirmative action.  Even though equity is not a reality yet (for women or minorities), I don&#039;t think putting a less qualified candidate in office (or in an office or classroom) due solely to the goal of diversity, is the way to true equity.  It sounds like we agree.  </p>
<p>In law school, I had several conversations with woman and minority classmates about these issues, along with studying the supreme court cases on affirmative action.  Most strikingly though, I observed the different standards applied to minorities (and women, though to a much lesser extent) when it came to admissions, and in the job search process.  I tend to agree with the late Arthur Ashe, who felt that giving a minority a job or grad school admission, when a white candidate with the same qualifications would have no chance at that job or school admission, was actually demeaning to the minority person and counterproductive to the ultimate goal of a society &#034;where &#039;because she’s a woman (or minority)&#039; doesn’t have to be a factor either way.&#034;  Good for you, for voting for Obama over Clinton because the candidate&#039;s qualifications and stance on issues are more important to you than his or her gender or skin color.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/14/gender-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1912</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a similar classroom exercise in 3rd grade -- I picked George Wallace because he was the youngest candidate, and I figured he wouldn&#039;t die in office (don&#039;t ask me how that squared with the youngest previously elected president getting assassinated... I was 8, OK?).  My mother had to inform me that Wallace wasn&#039;t a good pick because he was a racist (though I don&#039;t think she used that word).  

So know you know I&#039;m a lot older than you... but I also feel the tension between believing it shouldn&#039;t matter and really wanting to see a woman in the highest office.  You said it very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a similar classroom exercise in 3rd grade &#8212; I picked George Wallace because he was the youngest candidate, and I figured he wouldn&#039;t die in office (don&#039;t ask me how that squared with the youngest previously elected president getting assassinated&#8230; I was 8, OK?).  My mother had to inform me that Wallace wasn&#039;t a good pick because he was a racist (though I don&#039;t think she used that word).  </p>
<p>So know you know I&#039;m a lot older than you&#8230; but I also feel the tension between believing it shouldn&#039;t matter and really wanting to see a woman in the highest office.  You said it very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/14/gender-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl - I think there is a fine line between affirmative action and being deliberate about making sure women have a presence/voice.  Many feel that being aware of a need for women and helping remove barriers women face is affirmative action, I see that as just getting over sexism.  Equity though is not a reality yet (for women or minorities) - helping either succeed in a system created for white men is not the same as lowering standing just because a person is a woman or a minority.  If an when sexism is history and equity the norm, then race and gender won&#039;t have to be such divisive issue or even issues at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl &#8211; I think there is a fine line between affirmative action and being deliberate about making sure women have a presence/voice.  Many feel that being aware of a need for women and helping remove barriers women face is affirmative action, I see that as just getting over sexism.  Equity though is not a reality yet (for women or minorities) &#8211; helping either succeed in a system created for white men is not the same as lowering standing just because a person is a woman or a minority.  If an when sexism is history and equity the norm, then race and gender won&#039;t have to be such divisive issue or even issues at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/14/gender-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1908</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the best way to get to that day when “because she’s a woman” doesn’t have to be a factor either way, to do as you are doing and vote for the candidate you feel is best qualified for the job regardless of his or her skin color or gender?  I think so and say your post is right on the money.

If that is the case, does this apply to other jobs besides public office?  What about college and grad school admissions?  Should otherwise less qualified candidates get the nod &quot;because she&#039;s a woman?&quot;  Or &quot;because she&#039;s a racial minority?&quot;

The issue is on my mind because I&#039;ve been reading &quot;The Nine: Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court&quot; by Jeffrey Toobin and just finished a section about the court&#039;s decision curbing but not eliminating affirmative action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#039;t the best way to get to that day when “because she’s a woman” doesn’t have to be a factor either way, to do as you are doing and vote for the candidate you feel is best qualified for the job regardless of his or her skin color or gender?  I think so and say your post is right on the money.</p>
<p>If that is the case, does this apply to other jobs besides public office?  What about college and grad school admissions?  Should otherwise less qualified candidates get the nod &#034;because she&#039;s a woman?&#034;  Or &#034;because she&#039;s a racial minority?&#034;</p>
<p>The issue is on my mind because I&#039;ve been reading &#034;The Nine: Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court&#034; by Jeffrey Toobin and just finished a section about the court&#039;s decision curbing but not eliminating affirmative action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was reading this month, after the Civil War, the Constitution was changed (14th and 15th Amendments) giving blacks the right to vote. interestingly, the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote wasn&#039;t passed until 50 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was reading this month, after the Civil War, the Constitution was changed (14th and 15th Amendments) giving blacks the right to vote. interestingly, the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote wasn&#039;t passed until 50 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Pistol Pete</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2008/01/14/gender-and-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-1904</link>
		<dc:creator>Pistol Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought I would write this about a post that included an uncritical quote from Gloria Steinem, but this is a good piece of writing.  Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought I would write this about a post that included an uncritical quote from Gloria Steinem, but this is a good piece of writing.  Well done.</p>
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