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		<title>By: Mishake</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-10572</link>
		<dc:creator>Mishake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are cnrtaiely a lot of details like that to take into consideration. That is a great point to bring up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are cnrtaiely a lot of details like that to take into consideration. That is a great point to bring up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1825</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And you’ll be surprised (or maybe you won’t) at how many people take what I say in a satirical vein as literal truth - look at the hate mail Jonathan Swift got for penning his book “A Modest Propsal” because people though he actually intended the Irish to eat their own children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am always amazed at the number of people who don&#039;t seem to &quot;get&quot; satire at all. I remember the time a former youth pastor (I was an adult youth volunteer at the time) came in an gave us a copy of that Onion article that &quot;quotes&quot; J.K. Rowling as claiming to be a Satanist. He thought it was for real and brought it to us because he knew we liked Harry Potter. I had to explain to him that it was from The Onion, and then had to explain to him that The Onion was &lt;i&gt;satire&lt;/i&gt; and therefore was not a reliable source of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And you’ll be surprised (or maybe you won’t) at how many people take what I say in a satirical vein as literal truth &#8211; look at the hate mail Jonathan Swift got for penning his book “A Modest Propsal” because people though he actually intended the Irish to eat their own children.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am always amazed at the number of people who don&#039;t seem to &#034;get&#034; satire at all. I remember the time a former youth pastor (I was an adult youth volunteer at the time) came in an gave us a copy of that Onion article that &#034;quotes&#034; J.K. Rowling as claiming to be a Satanist. He thought it was for real and brought it to us because he knew we liked Harry Potter. I had to explain to him that it was from The Onion, and then had to explain to him that The Onion was <i>satire</i> and therefore was not a reliable source of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pistol Pete raises a very good point. Anything you say in print will be distorted and used against you. 

For example, when my first book came out, a priest posted one of her sermons online that railed against the current crop of politics and faith books - she cited my book &quot;Red and Blue Church, Black and Blue God&quot; (The actual book title is &quot;Red and Blue God, Black and Blue Church&quot;) as the worst stating I was promoting beating up God. I emailed the church office asking if they could kindly correct this point, adding that the point of the book was when we make God out to be a member of a particular party, the church becomes a political pawn and thus loses its ability to be a prophetic witness to the world. No answer. Fortunately the sermon has now gone offline. 

Also, I&#039;ve lost track of the number of times I&#039;ve interviewed someone for The Door and I get mail that goes something like this ... In your interview with (insert controversial interviewee), I can&#039;t believe you think that ... when all I am doing is allowing the subject to tell their story and ask probing Qs as need be. 

And you&#039;ll be surprised (or maybe you won&#039;t) at how many people take what I say in a satirical vein as literal truth - look at the hate mail Jonathan Swift got for penning his book &quot;A Modest Propsal&quot; because people though he actually intended the Irish to eat their own children. 

I can see if a journalist wanted Huckabee&#039;s sermons because they wanted to do an in-depth piece about Huckabee&#039;s faith journey. I would hope that his theology has developed over the past twenty years - I know my thinking has been greatly shaped by the recent works of N.T. Wright, Brian McLaren and John Caputo - three authors that weren&#039;t on my radar when I was at Divinity School back in the &#039;90s. But something tells me they&#039;ll be trolling for bits they can extrapolate and use out of context against him.

I&#039;m not saying I support Huckabee - his Christmas message poltical ad and a few other moves that have made Huckabee and Mitt Romney major Door fodder. (See www.wittenburgdoor.com). Yes, other candidates are doing some rather silly spiritual slip-ups and they will be satirized as warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pistol Pete raises a very good point. Anything you say in print will be distorted and used against you. </p>
<p>For example, when my first book came out, a priest posted one of her sermons online that railed against the current crop of politics and faith books &#8211; she cited my book &#034;Red and Blue Church, Black and Blue God&#034; (The actual book title is &#034;Red and Blue God, Black and Blue Church&#034;) as the worst stating I was promoting beating up God. I emailed the church office asking if they could kindly correct this point, adding that the point of the book was when we make God out to be a member of a particular party, the church becomes a political pawn and thus loses its ability to be a prophetic witness to the world. No answer. Fortunately the sermon has now gone offline. </p>
<p>Also, I&#039;ve lost track of the number of times I&#039;ve interviewed someone for The Door and I get mail that goes something like this &#8230; In your interview with (insert controversial interviewee), I can&#039;t believe you think that &#8230; when all I am doing is allowing the subject to tell their story and ask probing Qs as need be. </p>
<p>And you&#039;ll be surprised (or maybe you won&#039;t) at how many people take what I say in a satirical vein as literal truth &#8211; look at the hate mail Jonathan Swift got for penning his book &#034;A Modest Propsal&#034; because people though he actually intended the Irish to eat their own children. </p>
<p>I can see if a journalist wanted Huckabee&#039;s sermons because they wanted to do an in-depth piece about Huckabee&#039;s faith journey. I would hope that his theology has developed over the past twenty years &#8211; I know my thinking has been greatly shaped by the recent works of N.T. Wright, Brian McLaren and John Caputo &#8211; three authors that weren&#039;t on my radar when I was at Divinity School back in the &#039;90s. But something tells me they&#039;ll be trolling for bits they can extrapolate and use out of context against him.</p>
<p>I&#039;m not saying I support Huckabee &#8211; his Christmas message poltical ad and a few other moves that have made Huckabee and Mitt Romney major Door fodder. (See <a href="http://www.wittenburgdoor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wittenburgdoor.com</a>). Yes, other candidates are doing some rather silly spiritual slip-ups and they will be satirized as warranted.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Oden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Oden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Theology of Culture papers are valuable to me because it cements my credibility with fundamentalists.  :-)

Honestly, and this sounds cynical I guess, I think Huckabee doesn&#039;t release them  because his is an art of pandering. Pandering doesn&#039;t work if it&#039;s broadcast widely, and from what I can tell Huckabee sought political advancement through ministry, and that meant saying what he thought people would want to hear.  

Who knows what he actually believes?  I suspect it depends on the audience in front of him.

Now this whole comment probably just cancelled out  my delightfully conservative Theology of Culture papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Theology of Culture papers are valuable to me because it cements my credibility with fundamentalists.  <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Honestly, and this sounds cynical I guess, I think Huckabee doesn&#039;t release them  because his is an art of pandering. Pandering doesn&#039;t work if it&#039;s broadcast widely, and from what I can tell Huckabee sought political advancement through ministry, and that meant saying what he thought people would want to hear.  </p>
<p>Who knows what he actually believes?  I suspect it depends on the audience in front of him.</p>
<p>Now this whole comment probably just cancelled out  my delightfully conservative Theology of Culture papers.</p>
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		<title>By: A Different Perspective &#187; Pastor to Politician - Do Mike Huckabee&#8217;s Sermons Matter?</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1782</link>
		<dc:creator>A Different Perspective &#187; Pastor to Politician - Do Mike Huckabee&#8217;s Sermons Matter?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee isn&#8217;t releasing sermons he&#8217;s preached. Julie Clawson wonders if he is &#8220;embarrassed by what he preached? Has his theology changed? Is he just afraid of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee isn&#039;t releasing sermons he&#039;s preached. Julie Clawson wonders if he is &#034;embarrassed by what he preached? Has his theology changed? Is he just afraid of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: real live preacher</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>real live preacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that is a puzzling thing, this idea that something you said 20 years ago is held against you forever, politically. Never mind that most of us have had polar philosophical changes three or four times in that span of time.

That&#039;s why I like Obama&#039;s response to questions about earlier marijuana use. Did he inhale? &quot;Yes,&quot; he said. &quot;That was the point.&quot; He doesn&#039;t smoke it anymore so let&#039;s move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that is a puzzling thing, this idea that something you said 20 years ago is held against you forever, politically. Never mind that most of us have had polar philosophical changes three or four times in that span of time.</p>
<p>That&#039;s why I like Obama&#039;s response to questions about earlier marijuana use. Did he inhale? &#034;Yes,&#034; he said. &#034;That was the point.&#034; He doesn&#039;t smoke it anymore so let&#039;s move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1776</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I have changed in the last 4 years so much I almost want to delete my blog. Well some of it. Being a Calvinist wasn&#039;t very much fun. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I have changed in the last 4 years so much I almost want to delete my blog. Well some of it. Being a Calvinist wasn&#039;t very much fun. <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Christian Heretic</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>The Christian Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that if your theological views aren&#039;t at least slightly different from year to year then you&#039;re not to be trusted since it shows lack of growth.  There&#039;s no way that your beliefs (I&#039;m speaking to everyone here) are so spot-on correct that you have no need to adjust them, or even completely reject them, every so often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that if your theological views aren&#039;t at least slightly different from year to year then you&#039;re not to be trusted since it shows lack of growth.  There&#039;s no way that your beliefs (I&#039;m speaking to everyone here) are so spot-on correct that you have no need to adjust them, or even completely reject them, every so often.</p>
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		<title>By: Pistol Pete</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/12/20/changing-ones-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1770</link>
		<dc:creator>Pistol Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know Huckabee&#039;s reasons for witholding his sermons, but if I were him, I certainly would.  Once I did a funeral for a mother and four children.  The father had locked them in their house and burned their house to the ground.  A reporter at the service asked for a copy of my sermon.  He then deftly edited it to make me look like a fool with very bad theology and a terribly uncaring spirit.  I suspect if the media did get a hold of Huckabee&#039;s sermons, they were skewer them beyond recognition until whatever gospel truth they contained looked like a facist manifesto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know Huckabee&#039;s reasons for witholding his sermons, but if I were him, I certainly would.  Once I did a funeral for a mother and four children.  The father had locked them in their house and burned their house to the ground.  A reporter at the service asked for a copy of my sermon.  He then deftly edited it to make me look like a fool with very bad theology and a terribly uncaring spirit.  I suspect if the media did get a hold of Huckabee&#039;s sermons, they were skewer them beyond recognition until whatever gospel truth they contained looked like a facist manifesto.</p>
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		<title>By: sonja</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s your last couple of sentences that are the most revealing ... most of us would never run for president or any other high office these days because we&#039;ve seen what the process does to the &quot;man&quot; so to speak.  No one can stand up under that sort of scrutiny. 

I&#039;m a model citizen now ... but I was nearly arrested for shop lifting in college and smoked pot.  Who can stand?  And who knows their own future?  Why the media expects such perfection from the past in politicians is beyond me.  I expect that they behave themselves now, while they&#039;re in office ... but the past is in the past and only reveals that they&#039;re human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s your last couple of sentences that are the most revealing &#8230; most of us would never run for president or any other high office these days because we&#039;ve seen what the process does to the &#034;man&#034; so to speak.  No one can stand up under that sort of scrutiny. </p>
<p>I&#039;m a model citizen now &#8230; but I was nearly arrested for shop lifting in college and smoked pot.  Who can stand?  And who knows their own future?  Why the media expects such perfection from the past in politicians is beyond me.  I expect that they behave themselves now, while they&#039;re in office &#8230; but the past is in the past and only reveals that they&#039;re human.</p>
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