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		<title>By: Jerry Firman</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-5193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Firman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus says:&quot;If you love Me,obey Me.&quot;(John 14:15)He never said ... &#039;Fit Me into YOUR paradigm.&#039; If a &quot;Beliver&quot; chooses to walk after Jesus and reverence God,they are commanded to operate in specific ways.Not follow man made theologies,customs and traditions which according to God&#039;s Word,are &#039;abominations&#039; to Him.The world is full of professed Christians who follow satan&#039;s rituals of Christmas,Easter,Hallowe&#039;en,Valentine&#039;s day and other pagan festivals.No where does the Bible condone celebration of them.If you&#039;re &#039;talking the talk&#039; ... you better be &#039;walking the walk&#039; or as Jesus so clearly states in (Matt.7:21) &quot; Not everyone who says to Me,&#039;Eternal,Eternal&#039; will enter the kingdom of heaven,but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.&quot; (Matt.7:23) ... &quot; Then I will tell them plainly,&#039;I never knew you.Away from me you evil doers.&quot; To me,that is case closed! People have to decide whether they are going to be man pleasers or God pleasers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus says:&#034;If you love Me,obey Me.&#034;(John 14:15)He never said &#8230; &#039;Fit Me into YOUR paradigm.&#039; If a &#034;Beliver&#034; chooses to walk after Jesus and reverence God,they are commanded to operate in specific ways.Not follow man made theologies,customs and traditions which according to God&#039;s Word,are &#039;abominations&#039; to Him.The world is full of professed Christians who follow satan&#039;s rituals of Christmas,Easter,Hallowe&#039;en,Valentine&#039;s day and other pagan festivals.No where does the Bible condone celebration of them.If you&#039;re &#039;talking the talk&#039; &#8230; you better be &#039;walking the walk&#039; or as Jesus so clearly states in (Matt.7:21) &#034; Not everyone who says to Me,&#039;Eternal,Eternal&#039; will enter the kingdom of heaven,but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.&#034; (Matt.7:23) &#8230; &#034; Then I will tell them plainly,&#039;I never knew you.Away from me you evil doers.&#034; To me,that is case closed! People have to decide whether they are going to be man pleasers or God pleasers!</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Scribe&#8230; &#171; just an apprentice</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Scribe&#8230; &#171; just an apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clawson, Rejection, Redemption, Roots.  I am never disappointed when I read a post by Jill.  Always thoughtful, quality reflection [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Clawson, Rejection, Redemption, Roots.  I am never disappointed when I read a post by Jill.  Always thoughtful, quality reflection [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Andy - thanks for the continued discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Andy &#8211; thanks for the continued discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Ternay</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Ternay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, thank you for the beautiful post. As a Wiccan I have enjoyed visiting and reading each of these synchroblogs on Paganism/Christianity but what you had to say had a lot of meaning to me. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since it is a forum post, I don&#039;t know if it can be put in the links to this post, but I blogged on this at &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2007/9/27/12924/8516&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Street Prophets&lt;/a&gt; if you are curious.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, thank you for the beautiful post. As a Wiccan I have enjoyed visiting and reading each of these synchroblogs on Paganism/Christianity but what you had to say had a lot of meaning to me. </p>
<p>Since it is a forum post, I don&#039;t know if it can be put in the links to this post, but I blogged on this at <a HREF="http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2007/9/27/12924/8516" REL="nofollow">Street Prophets</a> if you are curious.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hayes</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case it doesn&#039;t show up in the &quot;Links to this post&quot;, I&#039;ve blogged separately about the Easter thing in my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case it doesn&#039;t show up in the &#034;Links to this post&#034;, I&#039;ve blogged separately about the Easter thing in my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeCamel</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeCamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting post - thanks.  As you consider the &quot;roots&quot; principle, it&#039;s probably worth trying to hold in mind the question of how revelation - personal and/or biblical - plays into this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t have the answer (!), but it might be an interesting tack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting post &#8211; thanks.  As you consider the &#034;roots&#034; principle, it&#039;s probably worth trying to hold in mind the question of how revelation &#8211; personal and/or biblical &#8211; plays into this.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t have the answer (!), but it might be an interesting tack.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder if many religious elements are interrelated more than we know. Great post, Julie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t help but wonder if many religious elements are interrelated more than we know. Great post, Julie.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-736</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie I really appreciate this post, some excellent questions raised here...think I need to read through what you&#039;ve said again... back soon with more comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie I really appreciate this post, some excellent questions raised here&#8230;think I need to read through what you&#039;ve said again&#8230; back soon with more comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a thoughtful analysis.  Of the three approaches you mention, I agree that the third seems the most respectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a thoughtful analysis.  Of the three approaches you mention, I agree that the third seems the most respectful.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/09/25/rejection-redemption-and-roots/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - I do not deny the events of the resurrection. yes the story does echo myths from various cultures, but I generally have held to the idea that the death and resurrection of Jesus played out the way it did because it would connect with the visceral mythologies that everyone knew. I was making allusion more to how the religious celebration of our God rising from the dead came to be closely linked with Ishtar/Easter and the fertility rites of new life.  It is a bit harder to tell is combining the two was a savvy political move on the part of the church or if it was a more organic development by those who worshiped the goddess.  Admitting those roots doesn&#039;t deny its significance, just lets us see the bigger picture.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;jhimm - I think taking the posture of a student of other cultures that humble attempts to understand is a better position than trying to just take.  Perhaps embracing those aspects should be done our of respect in order to honor the other instead of just for our personal benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; I do not deny the events of the resurrection. yes the story does echo myths from various cultures, but I generally have held to the idea that the death and resurrection of Jesus played out the way it did because it would connect with the visceral mythologies that everyone knew. I was making allusion more to how the religious celebration of our God rising from the dead came to be closely linked with Ishtar/Easter and the fertility rites of new life.  It is a bit harder to tell is combining the two was a savvy political move on the part of the church or if it was a more organic development by those who worshiped the goddess.  Admitting those roots doesn&#039;t deny its significance, just lets us see the bigger picture.</p>
<p>jhimm &#8211; I think taking the posture of a student of other cultures that humble attempts to understand is a better position than trying to just take.  Perhaps embracing those aspects should be done our of respect in order to honor the other instead of just for our personal benefit.</p>
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