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		<title>By: Melody Harrison Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody Harrison Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen and amen.</description>
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		<title>By: The Daily Scribe&#8230; &#171; just an apprentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Scribe&#8230; &#171; just an apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jill Clawson, Rejection, Redemption, Roots.  I am never disappointed when I read a post by Jill.  Always thoughtful, quality reflection delivered with grace and style.  This piece examines various ways Christians interact with other belief systems.  Of course there is always more to read than there is time.  I look forward to reading this essay on Women and the Emerging Church.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jill Clawson, Rejection, Redemption, Roots.  I am never disappointed when I read a post by Jill.  Always thoughtful, quality reflection delivered with grace and style.  This piece examines various ways Christians interact with other belief systems.  Of course there is always more to read than there is time.  I look forward to reading this essay on Women and the Emerging Church.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Is For Friends: Julie Clawson &#124; iamjoshbrown.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday Is For Friends: Julie Clawson &#124; iamjoshbrown.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of her noteworthy posts include Women In The Emerging Church, Linguistic History and Biblical Interpretation, and Rejection, Redemption, and Roots, to name but [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/08/12/women-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am new to this emergent conversation also, as some of the other comment writers have written. I apologize in advance if my tone is more assertive than what some folks might be used to, but I am a woman from NYC; frankly, I know of no other way to be. Proving my worth in spite of my being female is the absolute last thing I should have to do as a part of the perfect body of the Living Christ, and I&#039;m not about to willingly throw myself into a movement where my full inclusion is in any way up for discussion. This emerging movement states the following:

“Growing”: which indicates our desire to develop as the dreams of God for the healing, redemption, and reconciliation of the world develop. 
“Generative”: which means that we expect our friendship to generate new ideas, connections, opportunities, and works of beauty. 
“Friendship”: Because we firmly hold that living in reconciled friendship trumps traditional orthodoxies – indeed, orthodoxy requires reconciliation as a prerequisite. 
“Missional”: Because we believe that the call of the gospel is an outward, apostolic call into the world. 

Growing - Should it not be understood that as a movement it do all it possibly can to support the 50 or 51% (whatever the percentage is these days) of the human race that has been oppressed, suppressed, marginalized and belittled from time immemorial? 
Generative - I want the opportunity to serve the living God, who defies gender and all other terms we use to separate and delineate the Human Family. If Gen 1 is to be believed, at least theologically speaking, then we are created in God&#039;s image. Is there not that divine reflection of that which defies segmentation in both men and women? Are we not called to move beyond this boring, devisive gender question to embrace that which unifies us, that is, being, both male and female, in God&#039;s Image? Isn&#039;t that truly new, and emerging out of the darkness? Otherwise it is church done the old way with hip rhetoric, blah blah blah. I can incorporate Derrida and post-modern philosophy into my tragically unhip, old-fashioned mainline denomination and still feel welcome in that particular &quot;conversation&quot;. As stodgy as the liturgy can be, I have plenty of opportunities to serve the Kingdom without having to prove I&#039;m worthy because I was born a woman. Friendship - history testifies that the bible can be used to justify evil of all sorts - racism, slavery, colonialism, &quot;holy&quot; wars, etc. If the gender question is on the table, should we then also be discussing whether peoples of African descent be enslaved again because they are the descendents of Ham? Or, perhaps, eating kosher meat should be discussed, as one of the three things mentioned in Acts which Gentiles must do as followers of the Way? Where is the friendship based on Jesus&#039; model, i.e. John 15:15-16, or is that only for men? 
Missional - if this movement is to be truly apostolic, then you have no better model than the Pauline (from the unquestioned Pauline texts) mission - Phoebe, Priscilla, Lydia, Nympha, Chloe, Eudodia, Syntyche, Apphia, Julia, Persis, Tryphena, Tryphosa, the outstanding apostle Junia, and the seemingly endless Marys, including the arguably first apostle (according to John), Mary Magdalene. God found these women to be worthy of being part of the creation of the Holy Church. Women even today are not usually socialized (unless from NYC) to be assertive as leaders, and need encouragement to emerge from oppressive patriarchal systems. Please, without reservation, stand up for women who are brave enough to claim these women as their spiritual mothers in this emerging movement.  

In the meantime, I think I&#039;ll keep my Deborah-esque voice quiet in this particular conversation until I can emerge as less of a judge and more of an apostle within it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to this emergent conversation also, as some of the other comment writers have written. I apologize in advance if my tone is more assertive than what some folks might be used to, but I am a woman from NYC; frankly, I know of no other way to be. Proving my worth in spite of my being female is the absolute last thing I should have to do as a part of the perfect body of the Living Christ, and I&#039;m not about to willingly throw myself into a movement where my full inclusion is in any way up for discussion. This emerging movement states the following:</p>
<p>“Growing”: which indicates our desire to develop as the dreams of God for the healing, redemption, and reconciliation of the world develop.<br />
“Generative”: which means that we expect our friendship to generate new ideas, connections, opportunities, and works of beauty.<br />
“Friendship”: Because we firmly hold that living in reconciled friendship trumps traditional orthodoxies – indeed, orthodoxy requires reconciliation as a prerequisite.<br />
“Missional”: Because we believe that the call of the gospel is an outward, apostolic call into the world. </p>
<p>Growing &#8211; Should it not be understood that as a movement it do all it possibly can to support the 50 or 51% (whatever the percentage is these days) of the human race that has been oppressed, suppressed, marginalized and belittled from time immemorial?<br />
Generative &#8211; I want the opportunity to serve the living God, who defies gender and all other terms we use to separate and delineate the Human Family. If Gen 1 is to be believed, at least theologically speaking, then we are created in God&#039;s image. Is there not that divine reflection of that which defies segmentation in both men and women? Are we not called to move beyond this boring, devisive gender question to embrace that which unifies us, that is, being, both male and female, in God&#039;s Image? Isn&#039;t that truly new, and emerging out of the darkness? Otherwise it is church done the old way with hip rhetoric, blah blah blah. I can incorporate Derrida and post-modern philosophy into my tragically unhip, old-fashioned mainline denomination and still feel welcome in that particular &#034;conversation&#034;. As stodgy as the liturgy can be, I have plenty of opportunities to serve the Kingdom without having to prove I&#039;m worthy because I was born a woman. Friendship &#8211; history testifies that the bible can be used to justify evil of all sorts &#8211; racism, slavery, colonialism, &#034;holy&#034; wars, etc. If the gender question is on the table, should we then also be discussing whether peoples of African descent be enslaved again because they are the descendents of Ham? Or, perhaps, eating kosher meat should be discussed, as one of the three things mentioned in Acts which Gentiles must do as followers of the Way? Where is the friendship based on Jesus&#039; model, i.e. John 15:15-16, or is that only for men?<br />
Missional &#8211; if this movement is to be truly apostolic, then you have no better model than the Pauline (from the unquestioned Pauline texts) mission &#8211; Phoebe, Priscilla, Lydia, Nympha, Chloe, Eudodia, Syntyche, Apphia, Julia, Persis, Tryphena, Tryphosa, the outstanding apostle Junia, and the seemingly endless Marys, including the arguably first apostle (according to John), Mary Magdalene. God found these women to be worthy of being part of the creation of the Holy Church. Women even today are not usually socialized (unless from NYC) to be assertive as leaders, and need encouragement to emerge from oppressive patriarchal systems. Please, without reservation, stand up for women who are brave enough to claim these women as their spiritual mothers in this emerging movement.  </p>
<p>In the meantime, I think I&#039;ll keep my Deborah-esque voice quiet in this particular conversation until I can emerge as less of a judge and more of an apostle within it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/08/12/women-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am happy to help with your peace of mind, sister!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul Walker is blogging through a chapter a day of the book.  His post on my chapter can be found here:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://outofthecocoon.squarespace.com/main/2007/8/17/wikiklesia-5-virtual-mentoring-at-the-abbey.html#comment956890&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Be blessed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin,</p>
<p>I am happy to help with your peace of mind, sister!</p>
<p>Paul Walker is blogging through a chapter a day of the book.  His post on my chapter can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://outofthecocoon.squarespace.com/main/2007/8/17/wikiklesia-5-virtual-mentoring-at-the-abbey.html#comment956890" rel="nofollow">http://outofthecocoon.squarespace.com/main/2007/8/17/wikiklesia-5-virtual-mentoring-at-the-abbey.html#comment956890</a></p>
<p>Be blessed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy - Thanks so much for responding to that - I really was curious as to how the participants were formulated. I didn&#039;t want to think that it was as one-sided as men choosing to invite other men, because I have great respect for a number of the participants and I know many of them support women. But I needed to ask for peace of mind because I couldn&#039;t help but notice the uneven-ness. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I haven&#039;t got a copy yet, but I look forward to reading your submission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy &#8211; Thanks so much for responding to that &#8211; I really was curious as to how the participants were formulated. I didn&#039;t want to think that it was as one-sided as men choosing to invite other men, because I have great respect for a number of the participants and I know many of them support women. But I needed to ask for peace of mind because I couldn&#039;t help but notice the uneven-ness. </p>
<p>I haven&#039;t got a copy yet, but I look forward to reading your submission.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and one more thing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Scot McKnight has posted 61 threads on Women and Ministry on his blog.  I think if would be encouraging to go and read them, now that the comments are closed, and look for the voices that are clearly standing up for the women.  There are MANY men who step up to it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And do you best to not get entangled in the rants of the clueless ones...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Look for comments by Michael Kruse and John W. Fry especially...you will be rewarded and encouraged by what they have to say.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Be blessed, all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and one more thing.</p>
<p>Scot McKnight has posted 61 threads on Women and Ministry on his blog.  I think if would be encouraging to go and read them, now that the comments are closed, and look for the voices that are clearly standing up for the women.  There are MANY men who step up to it.</p>
<p>And do you best to not get entangled in the rants of the clueless ones&#8230;</p>
<p>Look for comments by Michael Kruse and John W. Fry especially&#8230;you will be rewarded and encouraged by what they have to say.</p>
<p>Be blessed, all.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/08/12/women-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While I can&#039;t speak for Len and John, editors of the Wikiklesia book, I can speak for how I got to contribute a chapter.  I saw Scot&#039;s blurb at Jesus Creed and thought to myself, &quot;wow, I have things to say on this topic...but I don&#039;t know anyone and how would I even approach this...never mind, I&#039;ve got too many other things going.&quot;  Within 10 minutes I got an e-mail from a friend of mine who was one of the ones invited to write a chapter.  He is a very vocal supporter of women and said that he was really hoping that a number of his women friends would submit a proposal...and he asked John if he could pass the invitation on to them.  John agreed and my friend sent the invitation to me.  I was shocked for about a minute, then fired off the proposal for what kind of chapter I would like to contribute.  John responded immediately and said &quot;please write a chapter in our book.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do not know how many women send in proposals...but I do know that Len and John were careful to keep the topic of the book focused on technology.  I know of a number of proposals that just didn&#039;t make the cut because their main focus just wasn&#039;t on topic strongly enough.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also ended up asking John how he was going to do things like lay out the book and format things...and ended up working with John and Len through the entire production of the book.  They were more than inclusive, they let me question them about everything they did and considered every suggestion I made...and we worked everything through with complete consensus.  It was an amazing experience.  And no, I&#039;m nobody to them...just like I&#039;m nobody to most who will read the book.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the other women who wrote chapters were way more high powered than mine...but I still got the chance to say my peace.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is possible, friends....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And Kathy,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What you are yearning for is exactly what I have been working on during the past 18 months.  It is a terrible thing to have to be patient, but I can only say that the Holy Spirit is on the move and doing amazing things.  It is never as fast as we want it, but God is working in spite of and through all these things--if we will believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin,</p>
<p>While I can&#039;t speak for Len and John, editors of the Wikiklesia book, I can speak for how I got to contribute a chapter.  I saw Scot&#039;s blurb at Jesus Creed and thought to myself, &#034;wow, I have things to say on this topic&#8230;but I don&#039;t know anyone and how would I even approach this&#8230;never mind, I&#039;ve got too many other things going.&#034;  Within 10 minutes I got an e-mail from a friend of mine who was one of the ones invited to write a chapter.  He is a very vocal supporter of women and said that he was really hoping that a number of his women friends would submit a proposal&#8230;and he asked John if he could pass the invitation on to them.  John agreed and my friend sent the invitation to me.  I was shocked for about a minute, then fired off the proposal for what kind of chapter I would like to contribute.  John responded immediately and said &#034;please write a chapter in our book.&#034;</p>
<p>I do not know how many women send in proposals&#8230;but I do know that Len and John were careful to keep the topic of the book focused on technology.  I know of a number of proposals that just didn&#039;t make the cut because their main focus just wasn&#039;t on topic strongly enough.</p>
<p>I also ended up asking John how he was going to do things like lay out the book and format things&#8230;and ended up working with John and Len through the entire production of the book.  They were more than inclusive, they let me question them about everything they did and considered every suggestion I made&#8230;and we worked everything through with complete consensus.  It was an amazing experience.  And no, I&#039;m nobody to them&#8230;just like I&#039;m nobody to most who will read the book.</p>
<p>And the other women who wrote chapters were way more high powered than mine&#8230;but I still got the chance to say my peace.</p>
<p>It is possible, friends&#8230;.</p>
<p>And Kathy,</p>
<p>What you are yearning for is exactly what I have been working on during the past 18 months.  It is a terrible thing to have to be patient, but I can only say that the Holy Spirit is on the move and doing amazing things.  It is never as fast as we want it, but God is working in spite of and through all these things&#8211;if we will believe.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey julie, thanks for the conversation. i try to read when i can but am a lame commenter, but feel compelled to jump in here because this is the place that i live daily. i never planned on being a pastor. it wasn&#039;t on my scan, honestly.  God sort of just put it all together in some wacky way and here i am living as a co-lead pastor in an evangelical world. what seems so natural to us is so foreign to others and yet it feels on a daily basis &quot;how it is supposed to be&quot;--men and women working alongside each other, living out our faith, learning what it really means to love God, love others.   so while i appreciate the theological discussion (i just attended cbe conference in denver, such a great group of people) i think the place that is missing is just practical &quot;go and do what God is asking us to do.&quot;  now i can say this so easily but when it comes down to it, there are many days i just want to give up, throw in the towel, and quit because there are so many subtle, weird things that happen to women pastors/strong women leaders.  here&#039;s what i wanted to toss out on the table:  i would love to see in the Kingdom a movement toward interdependence between men and women in ministry. i have become really against the senior-lead model in general, 1 person with all of the power (whether it was a man or a woman) and expected to have such incredible giftedness that it is just too much pressure for what we all are--average people. this superhero thing is so rampant in all churches. when we were forming the refuge last year i looked at 200 &quot;emerging&quot; websites and what was so sad to me is that really, most of the structures appeared to be so similar to all of the old models. i know your community is structured with shared leadership, too, so i know you know what i am talking about.  what also  made me so sad when i did that research last spring is the obvious and apparent lack of women (or people of color or age diversity, too, for that matter) most anywhere in leadership--in emerging churches...it was kind of bizarre and surprising. sure, there are some of us out here doing it no doubt but the truth is, not that many of us, in this way. most of the co-pastors i know are married, and while that is wonderful and i wholeheartedly believe in it, it leaves someone like me who is married to a great guy who has no desire to ever pastor, sort of in the dust.  i believe there are a lot of women out there who would love to team up with some others but honestly, men and women working alongside each other who aren&#039;t married, isn&#039;t very popular (we need to begin to understand it is possible to do without having an affair, i really think that is one of the things everyone is afraid of...) what this shared leadership thing takes is men giving up power, women willing to step up to some.  it is hard for me, i admit it, to lean into who God made me to be. sometimes it feels &#039;wrong&#039; and that is just the crazy masogynistic evangelical culture i was in for so long. but if we are ministering with friends who fan the flame, call out the goodness, actually have strengths where i have weakness, oh what beauty can happen. but where all this leads is the laying down of power. and i think it also means being intentional about diversity. our team isn&#039;t just about men/women, although we are equally represented. it is a mix of young and old, single, married, divorced, widowed, educated, uneducated. the only thing that is missing from our team is racial diversity but for the moment, that&#039;s just where we are at but we recognize it and deeply desire to shift that over time.  see, equality in the &quot;church&quot; (i have come to not be crazy about the word) is more than just for women. it is really about all the underrepresented/marginalized folks who never, ever, get power naturally. power always defaults to the talented &amp; strong (and usually white &amp; male but i want to be careful about tossing out such generalizations)  that is absolutely not a Kingdom principle.  oh i could ramble on for volumes, but i would personally like to say THANK YOU to all of the amazing guys out there who have advocated against this injustice toward women in the church with more than just words. you have made room, seen in us what we sometimes can&#039;t seen in ourselves, and are laying down some power.  i am grateful and my hope in the years to come is that more and more brave &amp; discerning men and women listen to God&#039;s call to give up the old dumb ways and live out what they believe in their core about the Kingdom, equality, diversity.  i know everyone on this blog knows this but those outside the &quot;church&quot; looking in are frankly disgusted that women are so oppressed in the church--my friends who have no desire to be part of the system have rallied against the injustice against me, sometimes more than those on the inside.  the world is watching, looking, pondering, and they can sometimes smell injustice far better than we sometimes can.  well, thanks for your commitment to blog about these hot topics.  i wish i could participate more but thanks for all the time you spend advocating for something better...i do not want my daughter to be stifled by the craziness in the years to come. i want her to have complete &amp; utter freedom to live out all that Jesus created her to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey julie, thanks for the conversation. i try to read when i can but am a lame commenter, but feel compelled to jump in here because this is the place that i live daily. i never planned on being a pastor. it wasn&#039;t on my scan, honestly.  God sort of just put it all together in some wacky way and here i am living as a co-lead pastor in an evangelical world. what seems so natural to us is so foreign to others and yet it feels on a daily basis &#034;how it is supposed to be&#034;&#8211;men and women working alongside each other, living out our faith, learning what it really means to love God, love others.   so while i appreciate the theological discussion (i just attended cbe conference in denver, such a great group of people) i think the place that is missing is just practical &#034;go and do what God is asking us to do.&#034;  now i can say this so easily but when it comes down to it, there are many days i just want to give up, throw in the towel, and quit because there are so many subtle, weird things that happen to women pastors/strong women leaders.  here&#039;s what i wanted to toss out on the table:  i would love to see in the Kingdom a movement toward interdependence between men and women in ministry. i have become really against the senior-lead model in general, 1 person with all of the power (whether it was a man or a woman) and expected to have such incredible giftedness that it is just too much pressure for what we all are&#8211;average people. this superhero thing is so rampant in all churches. when we were forming the refuge last year i looked at 200 &#034;emerging&#034; websites and what was so sad to me is that really, most of the structures appeared to be so similar to all of the old models. i know your community is structured with shared leadership, too, so i know you know what i am talking about.  what also  made me so sad when i did that research last spring is the obvious and apparent lack of women (or people of color or age diversity, too, for that matter) most anywhere in leadership&#8211;in emerging churches&#8230;it was kind of bizarre and surprising. sure, there are some of us out here doing it no doubt but the truth is, not that many of us, in this way. most of the co-pastors i know are married, and while that is wonderful and i wholeheartedly believe in it, it leaves someone like me who is married to a great guy who has no desire to ever pastor, sort of in the dust.  i believe there are a lot of women out there who would love to team up with some others but honestly, men and women working alongside each other who aren&#039;t married, isn&#039;t very popular (we need to begin to understand it is possible to do without having an affair, i really think that is one of the things everyone is afraid of&#8230;) what this shared leadership thing takes is men giving up power, women willing to step up to some.  it is hard for me, i admit it, to lean into who God made me to be. sometimes it feels &#039;wrong&#039; and that is just the crazy masogynistic evangelical culture i was in for so long. but if we are ministering with friends who fan the flame, call out the goodness, actually have strengths where i have weakness, oh what beauty can happen. but where all this leads is the laying down of power. and i think it also means being intentional about diversity. our team isn&#039;t just about men/women, although we are equally represented. it is a mix of young and old, single, married, divorced, widowed, educated, uneducated. the only thing that is missing from our team is racial diversity but for the moment, that&#039;s just where we are at but we recognize it and deeply desire to shift that over time.  see, equality in the &#034;church&#034; (i have come to not be crazy about the word) is more than just for women. it is really about all the underrepresented/marginalized folks who never, ever, get power naturally. power always defaults to the talented &#038; strong (and usually white &#038; male but i want to be careful about tossing out such generalizations)  that is absolutely not a Kingdom principle.  oh i could ramble on for volumes, but i would personally like to say THANK YOU to all of the amazing guys out there who have advocated against this injustice toward women in the church with more than just words. you have made room, seen in us what we sometimes can&#039;t seen in ourselves, and are laying down some power.  i am grateful and my hope in the years to come is that more and more brave &#038; discerning men and women listen to God&#039;s call to give up the old dumb ways and live out what they believe in their core about the Kingdom, equality, diversity.  i know everyone on this blog knows this but those outside the &#034;church&#034; looking in are frankly disgusted that women are so oppressed in the church&#8211;my friends who have no desire to be part of the system have rallied against the injustice against me, sometimes more than those on the inside.  the world is watching, looking, pondering, and they can sometimes smell injustice far better than we sometimes can.  well, thanks for your commitment to blog about these hot topics.  i wish i could participate more but thanks for all the time you spend advocating for something better&#8230;i do not want my daughter to be stifled by the craziness in the years to come. i want her to have complete &#038; utter freedom to live out all that Jesus created her to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clawson</title>
		<link>http://julieclawson.com/2007/08/12/women-in-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1/#comment-584</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for saying this Rebecca. I&#039;ve been trying to convince Julie to turn this and her &quot;Speaking of God&quot; post into a book too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for saying this Rebecca. I&#039;ve been trying to convince Julie to turn this and her &#034;Speaking of God&#034; post into a book too. <img src='http://julieclawson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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